Finch West Line 6 LRT

[Voltz]

I'm puzzled why it's taking so long to start construction on this one. It should be fairly easy to build and should not take more than 3-4 years are most to construct.

It's because of the needless P3/ Alternative Financing and Procurement process they use, it adds on 2-3 years of needless paperwork before real work can begin, all to make it seem like they are using the private sector to save money.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

It's because of the needless P3/ Alternative Financing and Procurement process they use, it adds on 2-3 years of needless paperwork before real work can begin, all to make it seem like they are using the private sector to save money.

Needless?! AFP helps prevent cost overruns that are paid with tax dollars. Prevents situations like TYSSE.

 

[W. K. Lis]

From this link.

Hard to believe that the Finch West LRT has been running now for three years, opening in 2013.

On April 1, 2009, the Ontario government announced that it would provide funding for construction of this line from Humber College to Don Mills station via Finch West and Finch stations, opening in 2013.[9][10]

In March 2010, the Ontario government budgeted less for building transit. Thus, it eliminated the proposed section of line between Finch West Station and Finch Station.[7]

In December 2010, Mayor Rob Ford cancelled the line after taking office. However, in February 2012, city council voted to restore the Finch West LRT as part of a new transit plan restoring some of the elements of the Transit City proposal over Mayor Ford's objections.[12]

The bad news is that we're still waiting for the Bombardier Freedom prototype, that would be used on the Transit City LRT lines, Waterloo's ION LRT line, Hamilton LRT, and Mississauga LRT (and Edmonton's LRT), before we can even get the production models.

Construction is to start by mid-2017 for completion in 2021... maybe.

 

[nfitz]

Needless?! AFP helps prevent cost overruns that are paid with tax dollars. Prevents situations like TYSSE.

It prevents overruns, but also increases the cost of a project. It's like insurance - ultimately it costs more, and in the bigger picture, it is cheaper to self-insure.

 

[Voltz]

Needless?! AFP helps prevent cost overruns that are paid with tax dollars. Prevents situations like TYSSE.

The work is no more complicated than road reconstruction and building streetcar tracks, work that the city does all the time without some big overly bureaucratic P3 exercise.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Well, we already more or less had that with Cherry Street

that was different situation due to it being built in the Pan Am athletes village and no one occupying the buildings until about may or so.

 

[rbt]

Needless?! AFP helps prevent cost overruns that are paid with tax dollars. Prevents situations like TYSSE.

Actually, TYSSE probably would have increased in price under an AFP too. Not by as much, but some of the issues would firmly fall in the "not under our control" clause those contracts include for the contractor.

Not to mention the up-front price escalation (2 years for DRL, so roughly 10%) from delaying the start time to complete engineering prior to issuing the tender.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

New FWLRT video:

 

[georgevicbell]

New FWLRT video:

AFP=awesome film productions

Seriously there are more videos than shovels.

 

[intoronto1125]

Have the station names been finalized?

 

[Adjei]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/07/15/cash-shift-might-revive-sheppard-subway-extension.html

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Had me worried they were allocating FWLRT money to Sheppard. Jeeze.

 

[Markster]

And that's why just dropping links without saying anything at all is bad

The second paragraph says it all:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/07/15/cash-shift-might-revive-sheppard-subway-extension.html

The Star has learned that the province has asked Ottawa to withdraw $330 million in federal funding from the Sheppard LRT project and reallocate it to the Finch West LRT.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

I was worried too ahaha!

This is like the reverse of Mammo's proposal.

 

[cplchanb]

but it now means even if theyre going for sheppard subway extension they will now have to find another 330m plus a few billion more......