Dundas St Rapid Transit (Metrolinx, Mississauga, Halton Region, CoT)

[drum118]

I just look at the map and wonder why we couldn’t extend the subway one stop to Dixie and a second to cooksville and call it a day.View attachment 574951

Simple.........what decade do you expect to be riding that one/two stop line as well what is the cost to do it vs the BRT??

How often would a subway train depart Kipling based on 100% increase of current ridership??

What happen to the 2 stops between Kipling and Dixie??

How do you plan to run the line to Dixie since the rail corridor is dead as well Dixie to Cooksville??

Where do you plan on having a bus terminal at Dixie that service Dundas and Dixie without forcing rider to do a 10 minute walking transfer as well not forcing buses to go off route to the terminal??

Where do you see a terminal for Cooksville to meet everyone needs?

You realized that buses service will still have to run on Dundas to service stops not being service by the subway or the BRT??

A true BRT ROW is only needed to Mavis and express to Nineth Line with a few extra stations to replace a few that have been removed.

At the end of the day, the BRT will work until the blight east of Dixie is redevelop to support Rapid Transit as well upgrading west of Dixie to Mavis. Then you move to LRT as there will be no need for a subway until 2100. You want a subway before then, then be prepared for 15-30 minute service. To see what Dundas numbers are as well the 109, go to Mississauga transit thread to see the current ridership numbers.

 

[Bojaxs]

If we could get more frequent trains on the Milton line, then extending the subway to Dixie from Kipling seems completely redundant.

How are they planning on fitting the BRT onto Dundas at the intersection with Hurontario? The road is awfully narrow, and a lot of those businesses seem to come right up to the road. I think the Ontario government is going to have to consider acquiring some of the properties at the intersection and then demolishing the buildings. Including leveling the entire NW block at Hurontario & Dundas.

Has the nearby condominium projects been set back far enough from Dundas in order to accommodate future widening of the road? Specifically this project;

Arte Residences | 56.02m | 18s | Emblem Developments | Studio JCI

May 31

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[reinventingthewheel]

Has the nearby condominium projects been set back far enough from Dundas in order to accommodate future widening of the road? Specifically this project

Judging by the excavation seen here at the bottom left (Apple Maps circa 2022), it probably has been set back appropriately. Haven’t seen any drawings.

Looking further towards the Hurontario intersection, I think you can get away with knocking down only one side. Here’s what I would guess needs reclaiming, where the north side (left) properties only lose frontage.

Near the top right of the image and under construction is Artform , a condo that has since topped out. The parking lot just below that is 60 Dundas E, a pre-con condo cluster that is also set back from Dundas by several metres.

 

[drum118]

If we could get more frequent trains on the Milton line, then extending the subway to Dixie from Kipling seems completely redundant.

How are they planning on fitting the BRT onto Dundas at the intersection with Hurontario? The road is awfully narrow, and a lot of those businesses seem to come right up to the road. I think the Ontario government is going to have to consider acquiring some of the properties at the intersection and then demolishing the buildings. Including leveling the entire NW block at Hurontario & Dundas.

View attachment 574977

Has the nearby condominium projects been set back far enough from Dundas in order to accommodate future widening of the road? Specifically this project;

Arte Residences | 56.02m | 18s | Emblem Developments | Studio JCI

May 31

urbantoronto.ca

Very simple.............one lane of traffic each way until those buildings get torn down for new development and then move to the 45m street edge. The city has zone Dundas to be 45m wide with no plans to expropriate any of the land to widen the road beforehand. This will be left up to the developers to do it. This doesn't only apply to Hurontario, but all of it that doesn't meet the standard.

 

[Bojaxs]

Very simple.............one lane of traffic each way until those buildings get torn down for new development and then move to the 45m street edge. The city has zone Dundas to be 45m wide with no plans to expropriate any of the land to widen the road beforehand. This will be left up to the developers to do it. This doesn't only apply to Hurontario, but all of it that doesn't meet the standard.

Just so I'm clear, all new developments have to be set back further from the road in order to accommodate future road widening? The city has mandated this?

 

[drum118]

Just so I'm clear, all new developments have to be set back further from the road in order to accommodate future road widening? The city has mandated this?

That is correct

If you look at the Arte Residences under construction, it is setback to the new line. On the other side of Hurontario, that new tower is setback as well.

 

[mininamib]

The Halton stretch in Oakville and Burlington is desperately needed.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Just so I'm clear, all new developments have to be set back further from the road in order to accommodate future road widening? The city has mandated this?

This is very standard practice across the province. Roads have "ultimate" right of way widths which new development must accommodate to protect for future widenings, etc.

 

[drum118]

The Halton stretch in Oakville and Burlington is desperately needed.

Can you justify it now when service is low as well ridership?

Dundas From Mavis Rd to Hamilton only can support light BRT/Express service if that until more development takes place on Dundas to justify it as well having TOB hubs, It been on Halton Master Plan close to 3 decades with Oakville having it built by 2020. Mississauga Transit try running service to Oakville and it was a failure. especially to Sheridan College.

ML wants one system running from Toronto to Hamilton for this BRT.

 

[Bojaxs]

ML wants one system running from Toronto to Hamilton for this BRT.

Is the plan to have GO buses running on this BRT? Will they allow regional, city buses to use the ROW?

 

[mininamib]

Can you justify it now when service is low as well ridership?

Dundas From Mavis Rd to Hamilton only can support light BRT/Express service if that until more development takes place on Dundas to justify it as well having TOB hubs, It been on Halton Master Plan close to 3 decades with Oakville having it built by 2020. Mississauga Transit try running service to Oakville and it was a failure. especially to Sheridan College.

ML wants one system running from Toronto to Hamilton for this BRT.

In Burlington and Oakville Dundas is 6 lanes (and 8 lanes at intersections) wide and the whole area north of the street towards highway 407 is being intensively developed. This DEFINITELY justifies the transit expansion there. The lack of ridership is probably due to factors such as lack of reliability, speed, and access to enough points for people to get on and off without needing a car to get to stops in the first place.

 

[nfitz]

What's the current bus frequency?

If it's 6 lanes, why not just make one lane buses only, and run every 5 minutes or so, and see what the ridership looks like?

 

[drum118]

Is the plan to have GO buses running on this BRT? Will they allow regional, city buses to use the ROW?

From what I know, it was ML idea to have GO or X run the service before the change in the fare structure this year with TTC as well allow other systems to run service in the ROW, I have no idea what ML thinking is these day to the Dundas BRT in Halton.

As a note, Dundas 5 and 5A for Oakville run every 30 minutes each at peak time and hourly off peak to give 15 and 30 minute service for parts of Dundas for weekday.

Burlington 3 is 15 and 30 while 11 is 30 only with both servicing different ends of Dundas while running al over the place.

Clearly, none BRT potential for Dundas.

In Burlington and Oakville Dundas is 6 lanes (and 8 lanes at intersections) wide and the whole area north of the street towards highway 407 is being intensively developed. This DEFINITELY justifies the transit expansion there. The lack of ridership is probably due to factors such as lack of reliability, speed, and access to enough points for people to get on and off without needing a car to get to stops in the first place.

Just because its 6-8 lanes today, it doesn't justify Rapid Transit. As for development that I have seen, doesn't justify high order service today. If you look at both Burlington and Oakville service, you will see it on the low side as well ridership.

The big question is, what is on Dundas in Halton that riders want to go to/from in the first place other than the GO Stations??? Very little, Same why one wants to go to/from Mississauga?? See above as well.

 

[mininamib]

Just because its 6-8 lanes today, it doesn't justify Rapid Transit. As for development that I have seen, doesn't justify high order service today. If you look at both Burlington and Oakville service, you will see it on the low side as well ridership.

The big question is, what is on Dundas in Halton that riders want to go to/from in the first place other than the GO Stations??? Very little, Same why one wants to go to/from Mississauga?? See above as well.

Are we talking about the same cities? Dundas in Oakville and Burlington does not have any GO stations on it (aside from several GO bus stops nearby), but rather is a major corridor where many shopping centres (such as at Dundas and Trafalgar, Dundas and Neyagawa etc) are located, as well as the regional hospital, countless seniors‘ homes and access to nearby schools and entrances to subdivisions where several 100,000 people live (and it is expanding further; next to the hospital a large medical research and employment district is slated to be built, for example), and it intersects a few highways. Dundas development in the last few years has consisted of condo towers (and not just low-rise) and townhouses. The reason why bus transit ridership remains low is because it was not made a viable option for residents aside from certain key routes (such as special pick ups for students at high schools and Sheridan College). The many lanes are often clogged with traffic.
An example of the urban expansion along Dundas in Oakville:

North Oakville Secondary Plans

www.oakville.ca

 

[Bojaxs]

Are we talking about the same cities? Dundas in Oakville and Burlington does not have any GO stations on it (aside from several GO bus stops nearby), but rather is a major corridor where many shopping centres (such as at Dundas and Trafalgar, Dundas and Neyagawa etc) are located, as well as the regional hospital, countless seniors‘ homes and access to nearby schools and entrances to subdivisions where several 100,000 people live (and it is expanding further; next to the hospital a large medical research and employment district is slated to be built, for example), and it intersects a few highways. Dundas development in the last few years has consisted of condo towers (and not just low-rise) and townhouses. The reason why bus transit ridership remains low is because it was not made a viable option for residents aside from certain key routes (such as special pick ups for students at high schools and Sheridan College). The many lanes are often clogged with traffic.
An example of the urban expansion along Dundas in Oakville:

North Oakville Secondary Plans

www.oakville.ca

It's a real shame that Oakville didn't take the opportunity, while widening Trafalgar Rd., to incorporate the Trafalgar Rd. BRT.

Having a BRT on both Trafalgar and Dundas would be a game changer for the town. People north of Dundas, who don't own a car, would have much easier access to the GO station, and more people would use the GO bus stop at Trafalgar & 407.