BicycleDutch, the creator of that video, BTW, is a great YouTube channel, in case you don't subscribe to it already.
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I have serious doubts that it will ever happen, and cyclists themselves are partly to blame.We'll have to wait decades before this happens. Forcing motorists to YIELD to bicycles.
I have serious doubts that it will ever happen, and cyclists themselves are partly to blame.
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When Canadians (especially Torontonians) conduct themselves like I see in the Dutch vids, then they'll deserve to have infrastructure to suit their needs. I see very few cyclists here that are up to the task. Time and again, I'll blow past all the wannabe jocks, only for me to observe all the rules of the road, and them to ignore them, putting not only their safety and that of pedestrians at risk, but my safety too. You'd think that they'd realize I'm slowing down for stops not because I'm slow (I can wheelie in the lowest two gears without getting off the saddle), but because protocol and safety require it, and for them not to swerve in front of me, many times from the right side, to block my ability to accelerate from the stop. Most of them haven't a clue as to how to gear down before stopping, but hey.
I'm not begrudging cyclists anything, my point should be clear: From *their* (the powers that be) viewpoint, if cyclists don't make this work by 'playing the game', then they'll jump on that as their first excuse.Sigh. This is the type of argument that anti-cycling politicians crave. Paint all cyclists (except yourself, of course) with one stroke, then say nobody can enjoy safe, effective infrastructure until *they* start following the rules.
Why should motorists get to keep an unnecessary and expensive East Gardiner when they run red lights and disappearing turn signals, don't stop on red lights before turning right, go over the speed limit, operate without full head/tail lights at night?
Best you re-read what I wrote, and read accurately. I never stated that. I stand behind what I did state, and that is that the *majority* of cyclists don't observe established cycling protocol.Paint all cyclists (except yourself, of course)
That's a very immature vector of argument.Why should motorists get to keep an unnecessary and expensive East Gardiner when they run red lights and disappearing turn signals, don't stop on red lights before turning right, go over the speed limit, operate without full head/tail lights at night?
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/08/12/new-bike-lanes-not-carved-in-stone.html[...]
Mayor John Tory has backed the $500,000 pilot, but he has also been clear that if the evaluation isn’t favourable, he won’t hesitate to push for the lanes to be removed.
“I’m going to be certainly wanting to see that it’s measured rigorously,” he told council May 4. “If the measurements show overall, taken overall as a whole, this was bad for neighbourhoods, bad for business . . . then I will be advocating it be taken out.”
Jacquelyn Hayward Gulati, the city’s manager of cycling infrastructure, said Bloor’s importance as both a retail strip and arterial road, as well as the decades-long debate about whether it’s suitable for bike infrastructure, means “we need to be extremely thorough about whether this pilot project is effective or not.”
The methodology the transportation department will use for the evaluation, which Gulati said will cost $40,000, is based in part on guidelines published by New York City and the U.S. Department of Transportation, and involves measuring everything from car and cycling traffic patterns, availability of on- and off-street parking, trends in local retail sales and public support.
Three rounds of study are planned: one, to collect baseline data, was completed earlier this year, and two more are planned for this fall and June 2017.
The results will be included in a report to the public-works committee in the third quarter of next year, along with a recommendation on whether the pilot project should be “maintained, modified or removed.”
In a departure from previous bike lane studies, transportation staff won’t just be looking at Bloor. They’ll also study bicycle and motor vehicle patterns on the parallel roads of Dupont St. and Harbord St., as well as monitoring local side streets for traffic “infiltration.”
According to Gulati, in a first for Toronto, the city will use 23 cameras set up on Bloor, Harbord, and Dupont, to automatically produce bicycle and motor vehicle counts. In total, she said, almost 5,000 hours of traffic footage will be analyzed.
The city has also contracted a consultant to perform “travel time runs” on the three parallel streets, which will involve using car-mounted GPS trackers to measure how long it takes to drive from one end to the other.
One aspect of the lanes the city can’t measure directly, according to Gulati, is their effect on cyclist safety. That’s because it usually takes about three years to collect reliable traffic collision data and “it’s difficult over a one-year pilot project to come to conclusions about safety.” However, the city will perform intercept surveys that will ask riders if they feel safer in the lanes.
Local Councillor Joe Cressy (Ward 20, Trinity-Spadina), who has been a strong proponent of the pilot project, acknowledged that with so much data being collected it will be easy for the bike lane’s critics to “choose the numbers that suit their argument” and some will focus only on how the lanes affect car travel times. But he stressed that the “complete package” of information should be considered.[...]
Yeah, I was about to correct that too, thanks for setting the record straight, but it underlines how fragile some of the support for this is, and how necessary it's going to be to *shepherd* this at City Hall.Minnan-Wong voted in favour of the Bloor Street bike lane pilot project:
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2016/05/04/city-council-debates-bloor-st-bike-lane-plan.html
He also voted in favour of the 10-year master plan. Only Mammoloti and Holyday voted against that, and Kagyiannis voted for the 10-year plan but not for the Bloor Street pilot:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...uble-size-of-city-s-cycling-network-1.3625252
Philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre said, "Hell is other people." If he drove in the GTA, he might have said, "Hell is other drivers."
If you think we get more than our fair share of the unsafe and the incompetent on the roads in our neck of the woods, you're apparently right. A recent study by Allstate Insurance found GTA drivers are the most unsafe in Ontario.
The study looked at accident rates per 100 cars across the province over a three-year period and the GTA's communities came out on the rock bottom.
What's really striking is that four of the worst 10 records were found in the GTA North; Thornhill (with the worst accident record in Ontario), Maple, Richmond Hill and Concord.
Now, you'd expect the region with the most and busiest highways to have more accidents, but what's the deal with the north end? Why does Thornhill, at 6.6 accidents per 100 cars, have so many more crashes than Toronto, at 5.6? Why does little Maple, with about 50,000 people, rank five spots worse than Mississauga with nearly 700,000 souls?
Here's where the story gets interesting and, potentially, politically touchy.
Allstate says it just works up the numbers, hoping to prompt a public dialogue on driver safety, and doesn't have the expertise to analyze the causes. Allstate's Manager of External Affairs, Tony Irwin, says they might get into analysis sometime in the future, but for now, "Folks are going to interpret it as they will."
Public transit
Some Thornhill politicians have jumped on the study as proof they need more public transit (i.e. the Yonge St. subway extension) to help reduce the massive volume of commuters. Or, as evidence the area needs more and better roads and traffic management systems. Or both.
One thing's for sure, councillors in both Thornhill and Richmond Hill get a constant earful from their constituents about both traffic volume and bad driving. Residents will tell you they see way too many unsafe drivers, particularly on residential streets.
So, the 800 kilo gorilla in the room is the basic question - what about the drivers themselves? Is there something wrong with GTA North inhabitants when it comes to getting behind the wheel?
I've heard people (who should know better) make the racist argument it is the high percentage of Asian people in Thornhill and Richmond Hill that drive the accident rates up. One person even told me the large number of elderly Jewish people in the area didn't help either.
Repeating the old stereotype that Asians (and elderly Jews) are inherently bad drivers is not only insulting, it makes no sense.
Maple is not known for its Jewish or Asian communities, but still ranks third-worst in Ontario. Markham, which does have many Jews and Asians, ranks six places better than mostly Italian Woodbridge. So, it's not specific ethnicity.
It could be a combination of factors, perhaps including people's age or the percentage of recent immigrants adjusting to driving here. We just don't know. But we should find out.
Whether it's lack of transit, types of residents, state of the roads or what's in the drinking water, knowing why GTA North drivers have more accidents could help prevent those accidents.
Let's not allow political correctness, or fear of what we might learn, stop us from saving lives. Over to you, Ministry of Transportation .
- Stone lives in Thornhill and at www.GhostWriterInTheSky.ca
Minnan-Wong voted in favour of the Bloor Street bike lane pilot project:
He also voted in favour of the 10-year master plan. Only Mammoloti and Holyday voted against that, and Kagyiannis voted for the 10-year plan but not for the Bloor Street pilot:
I just cycled the stretch east along the length, and then back to Shaw. There's some major design faults. Salsa's pics will help me explain them. Your "no left turn" point is an excellent one, especially as that pertains to the easterly direction cycle lane being crossed by side traffic. Twice I saw near hits with cars pulling out from side streets into the lane, oblivious of oncoming cyclists, to get a site line clear of the parked cars out from the curb, to make a left turn. A right turn is only less dangerous by degree.Since left turns are banned at most times of the day (until 10PM 7 days a week) at Bathurst and Bloor, it should be a 24-hour prohibition. The back-up in the late evening heading southbound by left-turning cars is unbearable while sitting on a streetcar.
There are a couple of spots where I feel that the road space could be put to better use. Here they could have fit at least two more parking spots, or maybe some bike racks rather than just white paint.
From Spadina to Bathurst, the westbound lane has no barriers due to lack of road width, so expect to see plenty of drivers parking here. A possible solution would be to raise the bike lane to the same level as the sidewalk, just like Sherbourne St.
I like the lanes, but, the sightlines definitely is cause for concern -- agreed on that itemI just cycled the stretch east along the length, and then back to Shaw. There's some major design faults. Salsa's pics will help me explain them. Your "no left turn" point is an excellent one, especially as that pertains to the easterly direction cycle lane being crossed by side traffic. Twice I saw near hits with cars pulling out from side streets into the lane, oblivious of oncoming cyclists, to get a site line clear of the parked cars out from the curb, to make a left turn. A right turn is only less dangerous by degree.
Perhaps this morning's ride was a lot more 'merry' than what's ongoing this time of day? Those narrow cycle lanes? Very dangerous, as another poster has made clear, you can't pass in them, so I and others were stuck behind the slowest riders. So quite a few nit-brain cyclists, instead of waiting for a clear opportunity to pass, would either go up on the sidewalk and along, or into what is now the parking buffer.Not to mention flying through red lights, whatever...
And the parking: If you ever need evidence of the limited abilities of Toronto drivers to park, take a look where the bollards aren't installed yet. With few exceptions, they park haphazardly on the edge of the cycle lane. That should be a *double* solid line to protect cyclists. Better yet, it should be solid, like a curb (temporary ones are better than nothing). My 'alarm perception' cycling along there was very high. Body English of drivers and cyclists alike wasn't good, near impossible to read intentions.
No temp signs erected to instruct/inform drivers! Around University Rd, many were stopping in the parking lanes, and opening passenger doors right onto the bike lane.
Vehicles turning across the bike lanes: Always a problem, many jurisdictions don't get this to conform with the HTA. The solid line must be broken to show where attaining the lane is legal. Standard practice in Ontario is two car lengths *before* the turn. That's not properly done. One girl I was having discussions with on her experience of the lanes as we were cycling had to brake and missed a car that pulled a right turn at Christie by inches. It shook her up, for obvious reasons.
My overall impression of the "experiment"? Better go back to the drawing board, and get this right. Someone is going to get severely injured, very soon. Ironically, Richmond and Adelaide are light years ahead, not the least because of *solid barriers*! The City had best put down temp curbs and/or planters in lieu of proper boulevards. Even where the bollards are extant, drivers are still parked haphazardly.
It is the first official day....perhaps some features will be addressed immediately? Frankly, I'll be avoiding it until such time as some of the serious issues are worked out.
Btw: I didn't see one cop or city employee monitoring the situation the entire length and back.
Sightlines! Take a close look at that intersection. It's already partially blind. For the same reason jurisdictions dictate cutting bushes and hedges at intersections, so must corners be kept clear of parking.
Take a close look at the pavement markings. This is illegal by the HTA! A deadly accident is prone to happen by a motorist forced to *cross a lane without first attaining it!* By law, a vehicle can only turn from a lane on the inward most side of the road unless marked otherwise. (Multi-lane roads at stoplights)
Whoever laid this out should be fired. And to compound the danger, there's that car illegally stopped, parked straight ahead. I see no one-way sign, so a car could come to that corner from the side-street, enter into the bike lane to gain a sight-line, and completely foul the line of direction of a cyclist moving at speed toward them. There was no shortage of cars stopped like that one when I checked it out an hour ago. My sixth sense tingled the entire length and back. This is very poorly designed, and is going to cost a life or two before someone has the sense to revisit how this is done.
With Richmond, you'd just need a more prominent curb protecting the two lanes. Like this:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.6.1.shtmlTurning a corner
To turn a corner, signal well before the turn. When the way is clear, move into the proper lane, either the far right lane for a right turn or the far left lane in your direction for a left turn. Signal your turn and look from side to side and check your blind spots to make sure the way is clear.