raptor
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Sandpit
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Also YRT has zero Chinese-language outreach in a region with a large Chinese-speaking (and aging) population.
doady
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Vaughan is just poorly planned. Look at the gap between Highway 7 and Rutherford Road. Compare that to Brampton which built new arterial corridors like Sandalwood Parkway and Williams Parkway so that the bus routes are closer together.
York Region was a bit too aggressive with the fare increases but I think the high fares are more the symptom of the lack of ridership than the other way around. Again, the amount of subsidy that YRT gets is already similar to Brampton Transit and MiWay.
No I think it is the TTC fares that limit the transit ridership in York Region more. Double fare to cross Steeles or even to use the 53 and 60 buses is too much. A lot of Brampton Transit riders transfer to 42 Derry and 104 Derry Express no problem.
innsertnamehere
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There is a fairly large gap between Steeles and Queen.
That said, Brampton's concession blocks are about 1.4x3.1km, while York's are 2.1x2.1km. 3km between arterials is clearly too far, so they had new east-west roads built to fill in the gaps - this results in a "grid" of arterials of about 1.5x1.5km. This results in literally half the area within each block, meaning that transit coverage and traffic is much improved. Way more grid capacity for vehicles, and much more of the block interiors are walkable from a transit station.
It's a similar reason why traffic is generally so light and transit so effective in Scarborough. Concession blocks are only 850m wide - which means north-south roadway capacity is huge.
i'd say York Region actually has the worst arterial traffic in the GTA because of it's massive space between arterial roads. And unlike other areas which have constructed mid-concession arterials, York Region has very few. And the few that are there are discontinuous.
raptor
Senior Member
Connecting the different Langstaff Roads would help immensely, however, York Region is not in any rush to implement it.
Langstaff Road EA started 2 years ago.
Langstaff Road EA started 2 years ago.
narduch
Senior Member
Plus at this point it would be nearly impossible to connect it between 27 and Islington.
They really need to combine Pine Valley as well but there is no way that will ever happen
innsertnamehere
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York Region tried to do that one a few years ago I believe and the environmentalists stopped it. The sad part is that it's only an 800m gap that I believe historically was actually open as a road.
narduch
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'Environmentalist'? Or the rich home owners at the National Estates?
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And it's a pain in the butt. The CN Railway crossing diagonally doesn't help, and the industrial areas of Brampton (west of Highway 410) and Bramalea (east) were planned independently before amalgamation. Traffic is forced onto Steeles and Queen, while Glidden, Clarence, Orenda, and Clark are discontinuous. The City of Brampton is currently working on an EA to extend Clark Boulevard between Rutherford and Hansen and connect to Eastern Avenue, which would help (and allow for long-term development of the area of the old industrial area immediately south of Queen). I'd really like to see a cycle track on the Clark extension, and extended east over the 410 and over to Bramalea City Centre to start building a proper east-west cycle grid to connect the north-south ravine-based routes.
Transportfan
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But environmentalists did stop the extension of Langstaff into Brampton, Cottrelle Blvd., from being connected to Williams Pkwy. across the West Humber. When the City realigned a later extension of Cottrelle to connect to North Park Dr. as a compromise at a narrower point upstream to be built at a later date, environmentalists piped up and stopped that too as the construction start date drew near.
Allandale25
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TOareaFan
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In another thread people are talking about how local transit should adjust/improve to make taking the train to GO a more viable proposition. As a user of BT to get to GO (whenever I ride the GO) i think BT already does a good job with this....but you can see in the above how much it matters......look through those service/timetable adjustments...the number 1 reason is to to improve connectivity at GO stations!
johntauren
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I'm glad they're always improving the connections - I always grab the earlier bus that arrives before my connecting train in the few instances I need a Go train myself. But I've often seen a Brampton bus arrive just as the train is ready to depart.
I wish they would coordinate Go bus connections in the very late evening.
For example, 15 NB runs from Bramalea Go at :27 / :57 in the evening on weekends, but the Go bus from Union arrives at :10 / :35
That's quite a bit of time to be waiting for a bus, in the dark probably alone.
I wish they would coordinate Go bus connections in the very late evening.
For example, 15 NB runs from Bramalea Go at :27 / :57 in the evening on weekends, but the Go bus from Union arrives at :10 / :35
That's quite a bit of time to be waiting for a bus, in the dark probably alone.
TOareaFan
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I am fortunate enough that my trip to the GO involves the very frequent 7 and 1/501 buses so schedules don't mean much to me.
Have you contacted them? They seem very willing to listen to customer suggestions/feedback.....I see what you are saying about that wait at Bramalea GO on weekend nghts....I wonder what the right amount of connection time is? 17 and 22 minutes does sound "long" but I wonder how much shorter you can make it before delayed GO buses mean people miss their connections frequently.
johntauren
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I do find that the Go buses at that time of day are often a few minutes early of the scheduled time (weeknight buses arrive at Bramalea City Centre scheduled for :03, but I can often make connections to Brampton buses that leave on the hour) , so it's more like you just missed a connection (that's once every 30 minutes) by a few minutes than having to wait over 20 minutes.
This is entirely all traffic dependent - I've had Go buses stuck trying to get out of downtown for about half-hour in an extreme case.