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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion

Again, the Liberals have a history of ignoring expert advice (hydro, The Drummond Report, the expedited minimum wage hike, transit planning, etc.) to do things that are politically expedient in the short-term- things that may be harmful down the road.

If the Liberals can’t keep their meathooks off Metrolinx, they should disband it
OPINION: Metrolinx was supposed to take the politics out of transit planning. Instead, John Michael McGrath argues, it’s become a way for the Liberals to dress up taxpayer dollars for partisan gain
In 2009, then-premier Dalton McGuinty made a massive change to the board that ran Metrolinx, turfing elected mayors from the agency. The Liberals said the move would help Metrolinx deliver projects necessary to un-snarl the traffic that had become a drag on the GTA’s economy. Freed from the grubbiness of municipal politics, transit professionals could get on with the work of building the LRTs, buses, and subways the region badly needed.

Eight years later, the only reasonable response to that claim is a long, rueful laugh. The Liberals are still just as eager to muck about in transit planning, and their shenanigans can sometimes make GTA mayors look like a bunch of amateurs.
Most recently, Transportation Minister Steven Del Duca intervened in Metrolinx’s planning for new GO stations, to ensure his current riding got one. And in case anyone thought there might be a principled defence of the decision, the Liberals announced their candidate for the new riding of King–Vaughan (Marilyn Iafrate, a local councillor) had “worked hard” to get the Kirby GO station funded.
Nobody has done anything illegal here; Metrolinx staff gave their advice to the board of directors that oversees them. There’s also nothing untoward about a provincial agency being subject to scrutiny from the elected officials who are ultimately responsible for it. But the whole point of ministerial accountability is to produce better outcomes, not to line up ribbon-cuttings for the party in power so they might, nudge-nudge-wink-wink, be remembered fondly come voting day.
It would be one thing if this were an aberration, but for the Liberals it’s becoming a trend. The Union-Pearson Express was always a dubious proposition, because while express trains to the airport are beloved by the international consultant class, they don’t actually attract a terribly high ridership. The suspect economics of the project and the recession of the last decade are why the original plan (which envisioned a private company owning and running the trains) collapsed in 2010, only to be rescued by Metrolinx — and, behind them, a Liberal government convinced the train would be necessary to deal with the imagined influx of tourists for the 2015 Pan Am Games.
Of course, both those mistakes pale in comparison to the Scarborough Subway Extension, another project Metrolinx was always quite clear wasn’t the right choice. They were overruled by Premier Kathleen Wynne’s office in the summer of 2013 as the then-new Liberal leader struggled to hang on to a seat Mitzie Hunter would eventually retain for the Grits. Provincial taxpayers are, mercifully, on the hook for only $1.4 billion, but Ontario’s capital is going to be vastly poorer because of the ridiculous white elephant the Liberals (and their willing co-conspirators at city council) have foisted on us. It’s already expected to cost $3.35 billion in total, and it’s very likely to blow through its entire $3.5 billion budget — which will mean another painful vote for tax increases at council or, as likely, a provincial bailout for a project that’s long since become too big to fail, despite its myriad failings.


Spending billions of dollars of public money on infrastructure will always be inherently political: a choice to build an LRT in one city is a choice not to build it somewhere else equally deserving. But political doesn’t imply partisan — or at least doesn’t have to. If the Liberals want to keep making self-serving decisions with public money they could at least have the good taste to dismantle Metrolinx and move its functions inside the Ministry of Transportation.
Or here’s a crazy thought: the government could act like their words actually mean something, and let “evidence-based policy” actually guide their decisions. Better late than never.
http://tvo.org/article/current-affa...eathooks-off-metrolinx-they-should-disband-it
 
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This will be a change election for sure. The question will be about to what? No party is clean of corruption. It is time to clean up the Liberal corruption but my fear is at what cost.

Patrick Brown is a wolf in sheeps clothing. No one really knows what he will do.
 
At this point, the main question seems to be whether the provincial Liberals are headed for a Turner '84, Dion '08 or Ignatieff '11-type result.

It would depend on whether or not Brown can get the SoCon faction quelled in time for 2018 to run a moderate platform, or if Conservative """"""My-Way-or-the-Highway Traditional Values""""""" are going to sink that ship.


Also interesting- another "ethnic" candidate, this time for Windsor- it seems like Brown went out of the way to parachute a particular candidate into this riding:
Ontario PC Leader Patrick Brown announces Windsor-Tecumseh candidate

The party announced over the weekend that Mohammad Latif, who currently lives in the Toronto area, will be their man in the riding.

“Mohammad is an experienced entrepreneur with deep roots in the Windsor community,” Ontario PC leader Patrick Brown said in a media release. “A father of two, Mohammad wants a better future for all Ontarians. I have no doubt he’ll be an excellent representative for the people of Windsor-Tecumseh.”

http://windsorstar.com/news/local-n...ck-brown-announces-windsor-tecumseh-candidate
 
This is in response to Doug's announcement.


The media who don't like him would fair much better letting him make mistakes on his own, and attack then. Given his brash demeanour Ford is certainly going to give some great WTF moments during the campaign. Its not only free publicity and justification of a political "witch hunt". They really do it to themselves these days as too many people are not as interested in an large media agenda and these types of Politicians are feeding off this excessive bias. Seriously, why give the Ford types the satisfaction of being correct on such an important topic these days? They are their own worst enemy. Just report and let the fools bury themselves. Its proven to be a very bad strategy to go against these types in full attack mode, but they don't seem to get how that works.
 
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Why is it only called a media witch hunt when they write something about a Ford?

I haven't heard anything about a witch hunt against Wynne, Brown, Howarth, Tory, Trudeau, etc.
 
Why is it only called a media witch hunt when they write something about a Ford?

I haven't heard anything about a witch hunt against Wynne, Brown, Howarth, Tory, Trudeau, etc.

People probably look at the CBC/Daniel Dale/patois/cocaine incidents where Ford dominated the media for weeks on end and consider that media overscrutiny.


Some recent polling figures, with differing spins:

Ontario Liberals on upswing despite Kathleen Wynne’s unpopularity, government polling shows

The last nine of months of polling that have landed in Kathleen Wynne‘s lap, and were obtained by The Canadian Press through a Freedom of Information request, suggest improving public opinion fortunes for a now somewhat less unpopular Liberal government.

The polling conducted by the Gandalf Group — headed by the man leading the Liberals’ 2018 re-election bid — found large support for the government’s plan for a $15 minimum wage, general support for carbon pricing, if not necessarily the specifics, and even improving assessments of the hydro file, over which the government has been consistently hammered.

McMaster University political science professor Henry Jacek said Wynne sees a path to electoral victory with popular policies, but she is still personally unpopular. An Angus Reid survey in June put Wynne’s approval rating at 15 per cent — up from 12 in March.

“I can see how she sees the path forward in terms of the policies, but I still think there are so many red flags out there,” Jacek said.

A turning point in the polling came in March, which is when the government announced a cut to hydro bills, though in perhaps a sign of how poorly the government had been viewed up to that point, the pollsters cheered not an improvement in the numbers, but a lack of further decline.

“Assessment of the government’s overall performance and assessment of the government’s management of electricity prices have stayed constant from February through March,” reads the March report to the cabinet office.

“These are measures that have been consistently eroding over the past several months, so remaining constant is a step in the right direction.”

The worst overall month for the government came in January, with 61 per cent of respondents saying it was on the wrong track. By July, that was down to 49 per cent, versus 43 per cent saying the government was on the right track — a gap that hadn’t been that narrow since July 2016.

January’s numbers also may point to why the government in March announced a further 17 per cent cut to electricity bills. An eight-per-cent cut had already taken effect on Jan. 1, but still 46 per cent of respondents said what came to mind on electricity was increasing costs, versus just four per cent who cited the eight per cent rebate.


After March’s hydro announcement, that swung dramatically the other way, with 45 per cent of people citing “government reducing cost.”

And since then, the government’s performance rating on electricity prices increased steadily, with 44 per cent of respondents in July calling it excellent or good, up from 34 per cent in March.

More than three-quarters of respondents — 79 per cent — said they supported the Fair Hydro Plan, though a much smaller number — 55 per cent — said they actually believed their bill would decrease by the promised 25 per cent.

When it comes to the government’s cap-and-trade system, the polling suggested Ontarians are very supportive in principle, but less so on the specifics.

In November, when the program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions hadn’t yet been implemented, 85 per cent of respondents supported limiting the amount of pollution businesses can emit, though only 52 per cent supported Ontario’s system.

And while 60 per cent agreed it was right to encourage businesses to reduce air pollution even if it led to higher costs for consumers, only 46 and 42 per cent, respectively, were OK with cap-and-trade adding four cents per litre on gasoline and $13 per month to energy fuel costs.

Given this, the pollsters suggest a line of messaging for the government.

“How the policy, cap and trade, is communicated makes a significant difference in support and in willingness to accept personal costs,” they write. “Discussing the result of cap and trade, ‘putting a cap on the amount of emissions that businesses can release into the atmosphere,’ is much more supported than using the term cap and trade.”

Support for cap and trade dropped after the plan was implemented in January, but still had the support of 50 per cent of respondents.

Wynne’s most recent major policy, a $15 minimum wage, among other labour reforms, has been very well received, the polling suggests.

In July, 71 per cent of respondents said they supported the policy.


“Increasing the minimum wage, along with protection for temporary and part-time workers, serves to increase confidence in government even more than increases to healthcare spending,” the pollsters wrote.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3699073/kathleen-wynne-liberals-poll/


Support for Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne declining in T.O.: Poll

Three quarters of Ontarians disapprove of the job Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne is doing, a new Forum Research poll suggests.

Broad public support for Wynne has been dreadful for some time, and the Liberals continue to flounder even in their Toronto stronghold, said Dr. Lorne Bozinoff, president of Forum Research.

“Of primary concern for the premier should be her declining support in Toronto, as she now sits third behind both the Tories and the NDP,” Bozinoff said in a release. “Without the same massive support in Toronto she received in 2014, her re-election prospects look dim, at best.”

Just two in 10 (18%) approve of the job Wynne is doing and 73% disapprove.

Meanwhile, the poll shows Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown would be the next premier if an election were held today.

Forty per cent of the electorate say they would support the PCs, the survey found, with the NDP and Liberals basically tied with 27% and 25% support respectively.

Middle-class males from ages 45 to 64 earning $40,000 to $60,000 formed the largest group of PC supporters.

Liberal supporters are mostly under the age of 34, have a post-graduate degree, and live in Toronto or eastern Ontario.

Those supporting the NDP came from Toronto and northeastern Ontario and are between 35 to 44.


Of the three main leaders, the NDP’s Andrea Horwath was the most popular with an approval rating of 35%.

Brown has an approval rating from a quarter of voters, but has a disapproval rating of 34%, and four in 10 said they didn’t know.

“While Patrick Brown’s PCs see a slight dip in support in August, for the most part his support remains steady, despite perceived controversies (during nomination processes),” Bozinoff said.

The phone survey of 981 random Ontarians was conducted on Aug. 23 and 24, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3%, 19 times out of 20.

http://www.lfpress.com/2017/09/02/support-for-ontario-premier-kathleen-wynne-declining-in-to-poll[/QUOTE]
 
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Why is it only called a media witch hunt when they write something about a Ford?

I haven't heard anything about a witch hunt against Wynne, Brown, Howarth, Tory, Trudeau, etc.

That's coming from the mouth of the beast himself. There is a always been a spun witch hunt on both sides of the media spectrum, the difference is the Left media is more extensive, so its easier to control the mainstream message. Ford(s) also get a much higher level of media attack because they directly call the media out for the clear bias that exists and they fight him back, playing right into his hands. Doing exactly what he is telling people.

What he doesn't do is call out the Right media for their similar toxic spin and that shows its just a political tactic instead of an attempt to address this as the real problem it is.
 
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That's coming from the mouth of the beast himself. There is a always been a spun witch hunt on both sides of the media spectrum, the difference is the Left media is more extensive, so its easier to control the mainstream message. Ford(s) also get a much higher level of media attack because they directly call the media out for the clear bias that exists and they fight him back, playing right into his hands. Doing exactly what he is telling people.

What he doesn't do is call out the Right media for their similar toxic spin and that shows its just a political tactic instead of an attempt to address this as the real problem it is.

Am I the beast or are you referring to Patrick brown? As @Videodrome has pointed out, Brown disavowed himself from social conservatives some time ago. He may have wanted Ford on board at some point, but not anymore.

I'd love to see all these examples of the media's unfair coverage on Doug or Rob Ford.
 
People probably look at the CBC/Daniel Dale/patois/cocaine incidents where Ford dominated the media for weeks on end and consider that media overscrutiny.


Some recent polling figures, with differing spins:



http://globalnews.ca/news/3699073/kathleen-wynne-liberals-poll/




http://www.lfpress.com/2017/09/02/support-for-ontario-premier-kathleen-wynne-declining-in-to-poll

There certainly some that do - but Ford actively courted the media (even when in drug rehab) and much of what he did was worthy of media scrutiny.

It's like arguing the Liberals were being persecuted by the media during the ORNGE scandal.
 
Patrick Brown looks like a weak candidate but you never know. I recall thinking how weak and unelectable Dalton McGuinty was but somehow he not only succeeded but created a Liberal political dynasty in Ontario.

With Wynne operating on the extreme left-wing ( left of the NDP at the moment) there would be breathing space in the centre but it remains to be seen if Brown can steer the wacko elements that still comprise too much of his party in the right direction.
 

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