Rob Ford's Toronto

[Franks2000inchTV]

s.17 of the Compensation for Victims of Crime Act sets out that a person may be refused compensation if their behaviour directly or indirectly contributed to their injury - so for instance, a drug dealer may get refused for their claim for compensation as a victim of a crime even if the person who assaulted them is arrested, charged, and convicted of assault. The law does consider if one wrong contributed to, directly or indirectly, a subsequent wrong.

That seems to be about compensation, though, not about criminal culpability.

 

[pud99]

Because? The TPS has not told them anything because they got nothing from searching through the data? Or the TPS has not told them anything because what they got from that search is not worth telling them about? Or the TPS has not told them anything because they have not completed searching through the data?

 

[fordmoreyears]

1. They have money
2. Cops are largely conservative and/or don't give a shit about this type of crime
3. The other criminals involved are as stupid or stupider than the Fords (and significantly poorer)
4. Many of the accusers (e.g. brother-in-law) have their own credibility issues
5. Toronto has no mechanism to fire a mayor
6. It's not illegal to be a stupid fucking c*nt

0. They are white.

 

[basic]

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Because? The TPS has not told them anything because they got nothing from searching through the data? Or the TPS has not told them anything because what they got from that search is not worth telling them about? Or the TPS has not told them anything because they have not completed searching through the data?

If it's the latter, they better get on that pretty damn quickly. One would have to think it is because they didn't get anything related to the extortion charge.

 

[Sweet Mister]

Enter OPP Det. Insp. Chris Nicholas, also a veteran detective. Nicholas, according to two sources who were not authorized to speak publicly about the case, believed that Ford was the victim. His theory was that once the video was made, Siad may have attempted to extort money from Ford in return for handing over the video.

I find this baffling. It's not either/or. Both can be true. One doesn't negate the other.

I think what really happened is this: OPP would only sign off on this case if they felt sure it was going to stick. Otherwise it would reflect badly on them. They have no investment in the case at all -- TPS gets all the credit if it goes well. So they have absolutely no incentive to take any chances. They spotted potential weaknesses and pushed back. TPS then went to the press, at which point OPP said, OK, FU, you want to play it like that we can do the same. They get a friendly Crown attorney to go over the evidence with them and say it's not strong enough. And here we are.

 

[The Golem]

1. They have money
2. Cops are largely conservative and/or don't give a shit about this type of crime

Yeah it amazes me that there was a "known crack house" in Etobicoke which was allowed to remain operating, and yet no investigation to find out why the local police did nothing to shut it down.

 

[OSS 117]

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Because? The TPS has not told them anything because they got nothing from searching through the data? Or the TPS has not told them anything because what they got from that search is not worth telling them about? Or the TPS has not told them anything because they have not completed searching through the data?

This is interesting. Sounds like maybe the TPS aren't giving them everything they've got, and maybe this whole thing is because the OPP are getting pissy about it? Starting to sound like this is less about Ford and more about a war of wills between departments.

And if TPS isn't sharing everything with the OPP is there a good reason? Like they don't trust them with it?

 

[basic]

TPS then went to the press, at which point OPP said, OK, FU, you want to play it like that we can do the same. They get a friendly Crown attorney to go over the evidence with them and say it's not strong enough. And here we are.

All set off by TPS leaking to MM to put pressure on OPP?

 

[OSS 117]

Watching CP24, and it's a little infuriating that they start all their segments with the breaking "news" that it appears unlikely Ford will ever be charged, and then immediately follow that up with an interview with someone who says that that isn't the case at all. What the Hell is going on over there?

 

[Kat_YYZ]

well im predicting rob ford will go on a bender tonight to celebrate.

who is betting against me?

you buying?

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Because? The TPS has not told them anything because they got nothing from searching through the data? Or the TPS has not told them anything because what they got from that search is not worth telling them about? Or the TPS has not told them anything because they have not completed searching through the data?

how about TPS isn't sharing anything with the OPP anymore now that they know they are basically part of Rob Ford's defense team?

 

[Sweet Mister]

All set off by TPS leaking to MM to put pressure on OPP?

Looks like it, doesn't it?

I would not expect TPS to take this lying down. Will be interesting to see what their next move is.

 

[newearthling]

Looks like it, doesn't it?

I would not expect TPS to take this lying down. Will be interesting to see what their next move is.

Charging Fantino with several counts of eating the hearts of babies.

 

[Sweet Mister]

I also suspect the outgoing OPP chief took this with some reluctance and then handed it over to the new guy, who took a look at it and though 'screw this, what's the upside?'

The reason for Giroux's bafflement is probably that the cop he was talking to was just doing what his bosses told him -- unless this is 100% watertight, throw it back to them any way you can.

 

[Dubster]

I find this baffling. It's not either/or. Both can be true. One doesn't negate the other.

I think what really happened is this: OPP would only sign off on this case if they felt sure it was going to stick. Otherwise it would reflect badly on them. They have no investment in the case at all -- TPS gets all the credit if it goes well. So they have absolutely no incentive to take any chances. They spotted potential weaknesses and pushed back. TPS then went to the press, at which point OPP said, OK, FU, you want to play it like that we can do the same. They get a friendly Crown attorney to go over the evidence with them and say it's not strong enough. And here we are.

But the investigation was on-going! This scenario only makes sense if the TPS went to them asking them to sign off on an arrest. Maybe that happened (MM seemed to think it did), but Giroux seems to think it was just business as usual. He says he hasn't even interracted with OPP, and why would he? Remember this?

A source close to the ongoing probe said that Det. Sgt. Gary Giroux will remain as the lead investigator, and his team of a half dozen officers will remain intact. Both Giroux and Det. Joyce Schertzer were in court on a Brazen 2 matter on Wednesday and were marking their calendars for March 19, the day set as a potential public release time for more information on the case. The detectives said it was business as usual on Brazen 2, but noted they have other cases on the go as well.

The OPP oversight investigator seems to have questioned the entire basis of the investigation. I'm also baffled at this idea the OPP has "walked away," when they also said this:

“If anything new does come forward, and we’re requested, then we’ll look at it.”

Which Giroux would probably say. "Uh, yeah. That's how this works." There is so much journalist bullshittery and obfuscation about today. It's infuriating.

 

[pud99]

If it's the latter, they better get on that pretty damn quickly. One would have to think it is because they didn't get anything related to the extortion charge.

My point is that I thought that the credo of journalism is to ask "who, what, where, when, why and how". Why (apparently) has none of the journalists asked the TPS and the OPP why the OPP says that is has received no info on the Lisi phone data?