xmyth_
Senior Member
“I mean it’s a street Michael, how long does it take to revitalize?”
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John Street Revitalization
- Thread starter AlvinofDiaspar
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Northern Light
Superstar
Until the end of 2031, according to this report to the January meeting of TEYCC:
From the above:
^^^^ unnecessary duplication of costs due to all the delays
xmyth_
Senior Member
Reminds me of the report I read that talked about extending a streetcar line down Commissioners st to the leslieville barns. And it’s like “oh that’ll be another 50yrs or so”
And I was like… you mean down a completely straight street currently with minimal traffic and few businesses and zero residences? 50yrs for that?
Can we not punch logistics for this stuff into an LLM and come up with quicker solutions? I swear, this is when I want a municipal minded ai running simulations on the side, demonstrating all the human problems holding up these projects.
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
I find it very hard to believe that YongeTomorrow, ReImagine Yonge, John St renewal, and Queens Quay E improvements will all be constructed in the same timeframe.
It seems more like the city is conveniently moving all of these streetscape projects to the same range of dates 3-5 years out just to avoid commitment.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
The report does indicated a realistic path to construction that would be difficult to accelerate from this point. These projects need ~2 years for detailed design and procurement and this is fairly consistent across municipalities.
That said - the fact that they have not done any of this work already since this project was envisioned in 2009 is problematic. The city did preliminary design in 2016 and sat on it for a full decade. This should have been done detail design in 2018 with construction done by 2020. But the City thought they could save a few bucks by timing it with Mirvish-Gehry's project and getting Great Gulf to pay for part of it.. so they punted it down the road for another decade to try to chase a few dollars of savings that didn't even materialize.
Some of the others are clearly being punted for political reasons. ReImagine Yonge has clearly been punted to 2027 for initial design changes to avoid the municipal election next year. The fact that this sets the entire project back 2-3 years is of course ignored entirely. Staff are waiting on YongeTomorrow to wait for the OL to be done.
The problem with each project is that each project has a 'reason' for being delayed. Whenever there is a reason to delay, the city slams the delay button until the stars can align perfectly. And the problem with these projects is that there is so many moving parts that the stars never align perfectly.. so they get delayed, delayed, and delayed again. And you see it on everything, plus a whole lot of project mismanagement and misidentification of critical path items thrown in.. and nothing happens.
Any other organization running projects like these would find a solution instead. Oh, you think you could save a few bucks on one block? Then procure everything but that block. Too politically contentious? too bad, needs to get done. Conflicts with the subway construction? Do everything but that block and build that block when the subway is done. Etc..
xmyth_
Senior Member
I’d love a reasonable discussion about these processes though. Because if its “we spent two years to choose this bench to put here, that we will replace with a cheaper version once it’s initially broken and vandalized” - then wtf are we doing.
I loved stumbling across Sherbourne Commons when it was a brand new addition just west of Corus Quay. It seemed brilliantly designed, and I had no idea at the time it was being built. So I couldn’t appreciate the years of planning that went into it.
But a decade later- does anyone do a post mortem to see how it’s held up? Issues that arose? Common issues in planning, design, materials etc that can be extrapolated into future projects elsewhere?
If it took two years for WT to decide where to put a bench on Sherbourne, there should be replicable lessons learned there that should shorten bench placement on John st, no?
Also. Ffs. Just put stuff in and see what happens. This shouldn’t be so hard. Just pretend Scotiabank theatre is another collection of 80 storey towers already and get on with it
I loved stumbling across Sherbourne Commons when it was a brand new addition just west of Corus Quay. It seemed brilliantly designed, and I had no idea at the time it was being built. So I couldn’t appreciate the years of planning that went into it.
But a decade later- does anyone do a post mortem to see how it’s held up? Issues that arose? Common issues in planning, design, materials etc that can be extrapolated into future projects elsewhere?
If it took two years for WT to decide where to put a bench on Sherbourne, there should be replicable lessons learned there that should shorten bench placement on John st, no?
Also. Ffs. Just put stuff in and see what happens. This shouldn’t be so hard. Just pretend Scotiabank theatre is another collection of 80 storey towers already and get on with it