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York Region Transit: Viva service thread

Unlikely, but I wonder if they'll have Presto readers in the Viva buses eventually. It is annoying when you are trying to validate your ticket and you miss your bus.

Still, I am looking forward to using a smart card. As someone who doesn't take transit quite enough to warrant a pass for the most part, being able to tap-and-go will make taking transit more psychologically than watching my supply of tickets dwindle. This is probably one reason why the TTC didn't want to get on board - they only want their heaviest users to have this convenience. If token users had this convenience, then they may not pay extra for a pass that they may or may not get their full value on.
 
I'm considering getting Presto for use on YRT/Viva and the GO Train. One question I really need answered is how Presto would work with TTC buses in York Region. Will they have card readers installed? If not, how can I pay the YRT fare?

That's a very good question. You could email transitinfo@york.ca to find out.

The Viva Presto reader has a 'print' button. I'm assuming that button will print the Proof-of-Payment that will let me transfer to other buses?

I'm not sure what that's for, but it's not for YRT buses. To get on a YRT bus, you just need to tap your card as you get on, and if you've already paid once within 2hrs, it won't charge you again. I assume that Viva cops will have some kind of hand-held Presto reader to check whether you've tapped in within 2hrs.

It's possible the printout is for the aforementioned TTC buses.
 
So if I hop on the Vivabus from Finch to Newmarket bus terminal, then hop on the GO/YRT combined service (route 69) to Sutton, I pay 3 zones? Would I have to tap off from the GO bus? What if I take the GO bus from Union to Sutton, the second half of which trip is the same Route 69 bus from Newmarket bus terminal? What if I take the train from Union to Newmarket, get off at Newmarket station, and hop on the same Route 69 bus at the stop on Davis Drive where it crosses the tracks by the station? The system needs to be able to handle all those cases correctly. And what if I'm going from Sutton?
 
So if I hop on the Vivabus from Finch to Newmarket bus terminal, then hop on the GO/YRT combined service (route 69) to Sutton, I pay 3 zones? Would I have to tap off from the GO bus? What if I take the GO bus from Union to Sutton, the second half of which trip is the same Route 69 bus from Newmarket bus terminal? What if I take the train from Union to Newmarket, get off at Newmarket station, and hop on the same Route 69 bus at the stop on Davis Drive where it crosses the tracks by the station? The system needs to be able to handle all those cases correctly. And what if I'm going from Sutton?

Although the fare policy hasn't been reveiled yet the system might be working like this:

[Finch YRT/Viva-Newmarket-69 Sutton] Yes you pay 3 zones if your taking YRT/Viva from Finch to Newmarket terminal then GO bus. Now here's the thing, you would have to tap Presto as 3 zones and get a print out for justification of commuting between the 3 zones. When you get off you'll most likely be required to show the print out so the driver can set the appropriate fare deduction.

[Union GO Bus- Newmarket-Sutton] If you are starting with GO then you end up paying GO fares, there is no regional fare structure yet unless there is an agreement between GO and other transit agencies; Presto would only be simplifying payment.

[Union GO Train-Newmarket-69 Sutton] If you start with GO you end up paying GO fare, so if your going Union to Newmarket then Sutton, you'll be paying the GO fare that covers those GO-zones.

Basically to simplify the explanation, Presto is only going to be simplifying the payment between services not integrating the fare structures of other transit systems.
 
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I haven't been on a GO bus using Presto yet, but don't they use tap in/tap out for Presto, same as the trains? Then I should be able to tap in at Finch, tap in again getting on the 69 bus at Newmarket, and tap out at Sutton. This raises the question of, how does the 69 driver know whether I'm tapping in as a GO rider or as a YRT rider?

Either there's the paper printout to inform the 69 driver, as you mention, yrt+viva, or maybe there's a default that assumes you're a YRT rider if your last previous tap in was on YRT or Viva, and assumes you're a GO rider if your last previous tap in was on GO. If you then tap out from the 69 bus anywhere before the Georgina/Durham line, it would process the ride as YRT or GO depending on how you started, and if you tap out in Durham, it deducts fare based on a GO fare on route 69 and YRT fare from Finch to Newmarket.

It just seems that the whole point of having Presto is so that you don't need any other tickets or printouts.
 
I haven't been on a GO bus using Presto yet, but don't they use tap in/tap out for Presto, same as the trains? Then I should be able to tap in at Finch, tap in again getting on the 69 bus at Newmarket, and tap out at Sutton. This raises the question of, how does the 69 driver know whether I'm tapping in as a GO rider or as a YRT rider?

Either there's the paper printout to inform the 69 driver, as you mention, yrt+viva, or maybe there's a default that assumes you're a YRT rider if your last previous tap in was on YRT or Viva, and assumes you're a GO rider if your last previous tap in was on GO. If you then tap out from the 69 bus anywhere before the Georgina/Durham line, it would process the ride as YRT or GO depending on how you started, and if you tap out in Durham, it deducts fare based on a GO fare on route 69 and YRT fare from Finch to Newmarket.

It just seems that the whole point of having Presto is so that you don't need any other tickets or printouts.

I don't think the driver has to do anything. Your Presto account will be able to tell if you arrived in Newmarket by GO or YRT, and deduct fares appropriately.
 
Oh goodie, another Viva strike!!!

Potential labour strike would create YRT/Viva service disruptions


ATU Local 113 members are in a legal position to strike as of 12:01 a.m. on Monday, February 14

NEWMARKET- The Regional Municipality of York advises residents that Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU) Local 113 members are in a legal position to strike against Veolia Transportation Services Canada.

ATU Local 113 members will invoke the right to strike as of 12:01 a.m. on February 14 if a new contract agreement for York Region Transit’s (YRT) Southwest Division is not reached.

Although negotiations between ATU Local 113 - the same Local that represents the TTC - and Veolia Transportation have been ongoing, the next meeting between the two parties is not scheduled until Sunday, February 13. This scenario provides little advance notice to passengers, residents and YRT officials should a strike in YRT’s Southwest Division be confirmed.

YRT contracts all of its operation of public transit services to the private sector and the TTC. As a result, York Region does not directly employ bus operators. Veolia Transportation is one of four private contractors that provide conventional and rapid transit operations and maintenance contracts for York Region Transit (YRT)/Viva.

York Region’s contract with Veolia Transportation for its Southwest Division includes 24 YRT routes operating primarily in the City of Vaughan, and some routes in the Towns of Richmond Hill, Newmarket, Aurora and Markham and the Township of King. Approximately 214 unionized Veolia operators and mechanics and 131 YRT vehicles provide service to nearly 28,000 daily weekday riders in YRT’s Southwest Division.

At this time, YRT/Viva continues to operate all regular service. York Region is hopeful that the two parties will reach an agreement without a strike, but advises residents to visit the YRT/Viva website at www.yrt.ca or call the Customer Service Centre at 1-866-MOVE-YRT (1-866-668-3978) to stay informed and plan ahead.

In the event of a strike, YRT/Viva Transit Inspectors and Customer Information Representatives will be available at busy locations throughout the Region to assist customers and provide trip planning guidance. YRT/Viva will also outline alternate modes of transportation that residents can use throughout the strike and will extend its Customer Service Centre hours to assist callers in planning alternate routes.

In the event of a strike, customers are encouraged to make alternate travel arrangements such as:

* Car pooling
* Alternate route arrangements
* Use of north/south TTC routes operating in York Region
* to connect to and from the Toronto subway system
* Use of GO Transit services in the Vaughan, Markham, Richmond Hill and King areas
* Brampton Transit’s Züm

YRT/Viva offers local and rapid transit services throughout all nine municipalities in York Region. More than 120 routes keep residents connected within York Region, as well as with connecting services in the City of Toronto and the Region of Peel. More than 19 million riders used YRT / Viva services in 2010, with an average of 73,000 boardings made each weekday.

For more information on The Regional Municipality of York, please visit www.york.ca

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Media Contact:
Michelle McEwan, Communications Specialist, York Region
Phone: 905-830-4444, ext. 1209 or Cell: 905-251-6412
Email: michelle.mcewan@york.ca

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York Region Transit (YRT) routes that will be affected in the event of a strike in YRT’s Southwest Division:

* 3 / 3B – Thornhill-York
* 4 / 4A – Major Mackenzie
* 5 – Clark
* 7 – Martin Grove
* 10 – York U.
* 11 – Woodbridge
* 12 – Pine Valley
* 13 – Islington
* 20 – Jane-Concord



* 23 – Thornhill Woods
* 27 – Highway 27
* 28 – Zenway-Highway 7
* 77 – Highway 7
* 88 / 88E – Bathurst
* 91 / A / B / E – Bayview
* 98E – Yonge
* 99 – Yonge
* 98 / 99 – Yonge
(Late Night)



* 360 – Maple Express
* 460 – Holy Cross
* 461 – Emily Carr
* 462 – Maple High School
* 463 – Vellore School
* 464 – St. Joan of Arc
* 465 – St. Joan of Arc

Transit routes that are not affected by the potential labour dispute include:

* All five Viva Rapid Transit service routes operated by York BRT Services Inc
* All 28 YRT transit routes in Markham and Whitchurch-Stouffville and 21 transit routes in Richmond Hill operated by Miller Transit
* All 29 YRT routes in Newmarket, Aurora, King Township, East Gwillimbury and Georgina operated by First Group
* All 11 TTC routes operating in York Region
* All YRT Mobility Plus transit service
* The four community bus routes in Richmond Hill, Markham and Newmarket operated by Tokmakjian under a separate contract
* GO Route 69 – Sutton

School Special or regular YRT service operating to and from high schools that will be affected in the event of a strike in YRT’s Southwest Division:

* Holy Cross Academy
* Maple High School
* St. Elizabeth CHS
* Westmount Collegiate
* St. Joan of Arc CHS
* Vaughan Secondary



* Woodbridge College
* Alexander Mackenzie HS
* St. Theresa CHS
* Bayview Secondary
* Thornlea Secondary
* Thornhill SS

Of course there is a chance there will be no strike, but who are we kidding? The only thing that tool Bob Kinnear is good at is making strikes as damaging as possible, so that he and his union lose all public support (and he's so brain damaged he doesn't even realize the consequences of his actions).

If anyone in the Richmond Hill area needs to carpool to York University, PM me.
 
"How can they strike? It's privatized? LOL"

Of course they CAN strike BUT do you see how the impact is 1/10th of any other transit system.

The absolute smartest thing that york region ever did was break up its transit into many small bits and pieces. This means a strike doesn't shut the city down nor do unions get away with crazy demands! Re: Viva Strike a few yrs ago.

York regions biggest strength, Toronto's biggest flaw...

"City above Toronto" - gotta love that slogan
 
"How can they strike? It's privatized? LOL"

Of course they CAN strike BUT do you see how the impact is 1/10th of any other transit system.

You may be overstating that. Viva are the trunk routes. Having Viva shut down while YRT keeps running is like having TTC subway shut down while TTC buses keep running. It's not exactly a low impact event.

Edit: I see that it's not Viva striking this time but the other ones. Whew.
 
You may be overstating that. Viva are the trunk routes. Having Viva shut down while YRT keeps running is like having TTC subway shut down while TTC buses keep running. It's not exactly a low impact event.

Edit: I see that it's not Viva striking this time but the other ones. Whew.

While it's definitely a high impact event, I would argue that a Viva strike has far less impact than a YRT strike.
- All Viva routes have parallel local routes. Viva Blue riders can take the 98/99 Yonge buses, and Viva Purple and Orange riders can take the 1, 77 and 501(Zum) Hwy 7 buses. As we know from the last Viva strike, these buses will be wildly over-capacity, but at least there is an option for people who can't secure alternate transportation.
- All Viva stops have screens that inform riders of strikes. YRT riders could be waiting in the cold for hours.
- People can choose to take alternate routes away from Hwy 7 or Yonge. For example, Bayview and Bathurst are good alternatives for Yonge.

However, it is extremely fortunate that the YRT network is divided up so much. Even though my YRT route is on the list affected, I will still be able to get where I'm going by taking a TTC-operated route and transferring to a Viva bus.

EDIT: Also, why are Viva routes not explicitly on this list? It would make sense to put them on here to reduce confusion:

In the event of a strike, customers are encouraged to make alternate travel arrangements such as:

* Car pooling
* Alternate route arrangements
* Use of north/south TTC routes operating in York Region to connect to and from the Toronto subway system
* Use of GO Transit services in the Vaughan, Markham, Richmond Hill and King areas
* Brampton Transit’s Züm
 
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The absolute smartest thing that york region ever did was break up its transit into many small bits and pieces. This means a strike doesn't shut the city down nor do unions get away with crazy demands! Re: Viva Strike a few yrs ago.

LOL, they didn't break up anything, they actually merged all the different transit systems in York region into YRT, the split up operating contracts are a legacy of the old systems.
 
LOL, they didn't break up anything, they actually merged all the different transit systems in York region into YRT, the split up operating contracts are a legacy of the old systems.

True, they didn't actually break up the system, but it was still smart that they didn't merge everything under one operator like the TTC.
 

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