maestro
Senior Member
I don't think I've been on a 30 year old bus this year. (not sure how old the H6's are)
Or the daily/weekly/monthly pass, after calculating the frequency of use. If you only use the TTC once or twice a month, you should still get tokens since they are still good after price increases... at least until the tokens get replaced by Presto and/or smart card technology.
I'm well aware what the cash fare is. My question was "Who pays $3 a trip?". No regular user should be paying that for a trip.Really?
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You abused us all with your foul language, and your thread highjacking. If you are as unpleasant human in person as you are here, it's no wonder that you think people "abuse" you."abuse us"? Who did I abuse?
I believe that is what we are examining here ... you highjacked a positive thread about the TTC, you used obscene language, and you persist in trying to tell us these stories. Yes, I've encountered the occasional rudeness from someone who works for TTC. It's not that common, and certainly not as common or as extreme as rudeness I've observed in customers.If you look at my posts in this forum.
A $3 flat fare for the entire system iis high end of the spectrum? In Montreal where a monthly pass is only $70 the cash fare is $2.75. In Vancouver, the 1-zone fare is $2.50, and to cover the size of Toronto you need the 2-zone fare that is $3.75. In Ottawa a cash fare is $3.25. Mississauga is $3. York Region is $3.25. The claim that are fares are on the high end of the spectrum is nothing short of absurd.The fact of the matter is, a single fare is $3 which is at the high end of the spectrum when you look at transit fares around the world
Do you even live in Toronto? Do you use transit? When was the last time you saw a bus that was 20 years old? Look at the fleet roster, there are 113 buses older than 15 years. And almost 900 built in 2006 to 2010. With another almost 500 built from 2002 to 2005. Those older buses non/AC should all be gone within a year or so....and we're still using 20 year old buses and 30 year old trains.
The buses are mostly quite new. The subway trains are newer than average, and in a couple of years will be all very new. This claim of yours is clearly wrong.The system is old and outdated.
Tokens are $2.50 - cash fares are $3. That's more than 25¢. As you are in subway stations, you can simply buy tokens there. You can buy them in many corner stores, and any Shoppers Drug Mart (or at least any one I've asked for tokens in). $25 for tokens is hardly a huge expenditure - especially if you are laying out $6 for a return trip.Not everyone has the option of shelling out a lump sum at once for tokens or passes.
I almost always pay cash fares. To get tokens I either have to walk to the subway station, or walk in the opposite direction. I'd rather just get on the bus in front of my house to the subway station and be done with it. The extra 25 cents isn't worth the walk.
Depends on your definition of regular, but sure they do.I'm well aware what the cash fare is. My question was "Who pays $3 a trip?". No regular user is paying that for a trip.
Fair enough. No regular user should be paying that. By regular, I'd say someone who uses TTC enough that they are complaining about being abused by TTC staff on a weekly basis is pretty regular. Post corrected.Depends on your definition of regular, but sure they do.
I'm well aware what the cash fare is. My question was "Who pays $3 a trip?". No regular user should be paying that for a trip.
You abused us all with your foul language, and your thread highjacking. If you are as unpleasant human in person as you are here, it's no wonder that you think people "abuse" you.
I believe that is what we are examining here ... you highjacked a positive thread about the TTC, you used obscene language, and you persist in trying to tell us these stories. Yes, I've encountered the occasional rudeness from someone who works for TTC. It's not that common, and certainly not as common or as extreme as rudeness I've observed in customers.
Do you even live in Toronto? Do you use transit? When was the last time you saw a bus that was 20 years old? Look at the fleet roster, there are 113 buses older than 15 years. And almost 900 built in 2006 to 2010. With another almost 500 built from 2002 to 2005. Those older buses non/AC should all be gone within a year or so.
And trains? Most agencies use trains up to 40-years old. In London, they are just replacing the 1967 trains on the Victoria line, in use since the line opened. And they will be replacing trains from the early 1970s in 2013. Montreal's newest subway car was built in the 1976, and many date to 1963 ... and are expected to continue running until at least 2014 ... when they will be over 50 years old.
Toronto currently has 678 subway cars; only 170 are older than 24 years, the oldest being built in 1974/75 - the same vintage as Montreal's newest car. However Toronto is buying 420 new cars that will be delivered between 2010 and 2013. By 2013 are oldest car will be built in 1995. Some have criticized TTC that in 2013 they will replace the cars built in 1986-89 even though they are only 24-27 years old.
The buses are mostly quite new. The subway trains are newer than average, and in a couple of years will be all very new. This claim of yours is clearly wrong.
Given just how wrong you are on these items ... one can presume that your stories about being regularly abused by TTC personal is equally as wrong.
You highjacked the thread to whine about the TTC; where do you expect it to go?My last response to you since you're overly dramatic and this discussion is not going anywhere.
Yet you whine that this is higher than most others. I demonstrate that it is in line with most others. Why do you say that it is at the high end of the spectrum?A lot of people pay $3 for a trip. Do some more research.
How does that even make sense? How can you think someone who is posting here for 3 years is 3? Dude ... are you human?Dude, are you 3?
So now after abusing us with your foul language and thread high-jacking, your going to start making accusations. Perhaps if you should be apologising for your obscenities and exaggerations.You're the only person here who felt "abused". Again, you're overly dramatic.
What do you mean ... I've never said stuff doesn't happen. I'm just saying that a single customer being abused on a regular basis is either complete bull, or doing something wrong. Most of us here use the TTC on a regular basis, and we are not seeing what you are telling us. Sure, stuff happens ... 2,000 complaints last year. Heck, I've made dozens myself ... though not one was about abusive drivers. Late drivers, lost drivers, confused drivers, short-turning drivers, non A/Ced drivers ... sure ... I probably should have filed a couple of complaints about abusive station attendants, in the last 5 years ... but I digress. The Star obtained the complaints filed with TTC. Not suprisingly, the complaints contain ... complaints. With 2,000 a year that's ... 6 a day. I'm surprised it's that low ... I've filed that many some days alone on missing buses, lack of A/C, etc.
You highjacked the thread to whine about the TTC; where do you expect it to go.My last response to you since you're overly dramatic and this discussion is not going anywhere.
Yet you whine that this is higher than most others. I demonstrate that it is in line with most others.A lot of people pay $3 for a trip. Do some more research.
How does that even make sense? How can you think someone who is posting here for 3 years is 3? Dude ... are you human?Dude, are you 3?
You made completely false statements about the state of the TTC, that aren't supported by simple facts. You can't do that, and not expect a reaction. Is this how you get abused by drivers? Do you tell them they are having hissy fits? With that kind of behaviour, it's no wonder you think you are abused!Again, stop being overly dramatic. I voiced my opinions and you had a hissy fit. This is a discussion board, get over it.
There are still older buses in use ... but the vast majority of the fleet is new. The older buses remain on the same routes, so that certain routes always have older buses - such as Bay. West Mall and Van Horne are both supposed to have low-floor wheelchair accessible buses. I'm not sure what you mean by Yorkland ... both the Pharmacy buses, and the Victoria Park buses should be low-floor as well. The oldest any of these buses should be 2002 ... except West Mall could be done with 1998 New Flyer stock from Queensway ... but it's still only 12-years old.I do use transit qite regularly. I've been on old buses along the Yorkland route, West Mall, Van Horne, etc... What are you saying here? You agree with me that there are still a good number of old buses being used.
For the ages of all the equipment? It's all in the service reports they issue monthly ... the most recent is http://www3.ttc.ca/PDF/Transit_Planning/Service_Summary_2010_06_20.pdf - see the final page (page 70 which shows all the series of buses, the age, and the number in service, including the equipment on order. The information is dated May 10, 2010.source?
What, because someone disagrees with you they are a TTC worker or a shill? No, I work for a private company, have never worked for TTC, the City, or worked on a contract from either the TTC or the city, in my life. I have no renumeration at all for pointing your the errors and improbabilities in what you write.You're either a TTC worker or a shill, pick one.
That's pretty standard. Montreal has run automated trains with drivers just closing doors since the mid-1970s. London has done so since 1968.Running automated trains with drivers to ensure the doors close?
Also construction costs for rapid transit is abnormally high because the city won't put out to tender any jobs that are not done by unionized labour. I am a socially progressive person who supports a strong minimum wage but my god these are construction workers. Whether they are unionized or not they are well paid.
i just started taking the GO-BUS last week , as i got a new 2nd job near union station , and let me say i will never go back to TTC ever again !!!!!! , what a difference !!!! , even though i have to pay $5.55 per one way its still worth it , they are so clean and the service is amazing
also what a time saver !!!! , a 1hr trip on TTC , takes me now 25-30mins on the GO-BUS
I know where to buy tokens, I choose not too.As you are in subway stations, you can simply buy tokens there. You can buy them in many corner stores, and any Shoppers Drug Mart (or at least any one I've asked for tokens in).
$6 isn't $25. It's barely a quarter of it.$25 for tokens is hardly a huge expenditure - especially if you are laying out $6 for a return trip.