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Waterfront Transit Reset Phase 1 Study

How should Toronto connect the East and West arms of the planned waterfront transit with downtown?

  • Expand the existing Union loop

    Votes: 200 73.0%
  • Build a Western terminus

    Votes: 10 3.6%
  • Route service along Queen's Quay with pedestrian/cycle/bus connection to Union

    Votes: 29 10.6%
  • Connect using existing Queen's Quay/Union Loop and via King Street

    Votes: 19 6.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 16 5.8%

  • Total voters
    274
Why was the road bridge prioritized over the transit bridge?
The bridge they get allows streetcars onto Villiers Island. And that's not expected to go into service for years (though why they can't just do the Cherry underpass as part of the Gardiner work ending in 2030 and extend the 504A in the interim, until they can rebuild the Union streetcar terminal I don't know).

I have no idea when they are planning to start developing along Commissioners, east of the new Don River bridge. They've got all the land bounded by the new Gardiner along the tracks, the Don, Keating Channel, and Parliament street first - which I think is even bigger than Villiers Island!

This is where the Portland tracks will crossover the Lake Shore to go under the RR corridor that will be near the north pier support of the Gardiner
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Though that section of the Gardiner will be demolished, with the new link, much narrower and hugging the tracks.
 
This might be silly idea but just thinking ... was there an opportunity to to put the street car platforms underneath the new south concourse at union? and have a pedestrian runnel to the subway platform?
 
If assume it was possible. But it would complicate Metrolinx's discussions to build deep-level platforms for GO services.
 
The bridge they get allows streetcars onto Villiers Island. And that's not expected to go into service for years (though why they can't just do the Cherry underpass as part of the Gardiner work ending in 2030 and extend the 504A in the interim, until they can rebuild the Union streetcar terminal I don't know).

I have no idea when they are planning to start developing along Commissioners, east of the new Don River bridge. They've got all the land bounded by the new Gardiner along the tracks, the Don, Keating Channel, and Parliament street first - which I think is even bigger than Villiers Island!

Though that section of the Gardiner will be demolished, with the new link, much narrower and hugging the tracks.
It still has to get under the Gardiner one way or another in what every form the Gardiner is in to go under the embankment to the east of Cherry St. When will that happen, who knows with Ford in charge of the Gardiner now.
 
It still has to get under the Gardiner one way or another in what every form the Gardiner is in to go under the embankment to the east of Cherry St. When will that happen, who knows with Ford in charge of the Gardiner now.
The problem with extending the Cherry St line south to Queen's Quay and Villiers Island is not going under the Gardiner, the problem is going under the rail tracks. This can certainly be solved with $$$$ as they have put several similar links in - e.g. Simcoe south of Front was built in ca 2008. Lots of designs of the Cherry St proposal further up this thread and on WT website. I bet that the line along QQE to Cherry and Commissioners will come first (by many years) but even that (though it's been a City priority for a decade) shows little signs of being funded - the most expensive part of THAT segment is expanding the link to Union Station and expanding the loop there.
 
The problem with extending the Cherry St line south to Queen's Quay and Villiers Island is not going under the Gardiner, the problem is going under the rail tracks. This can certainly be solved with $$$$ as they have put several similar links in - e.g. Simcoe south of Front was built in ca 2008. Lots of designs of the Cherry St proposal further up this thread and on WT website. I bet that the line along QQE to Cherry and Commissioners will come first (by many years) but even that (though it's been a City priority for a decade) shows little signs of being funded - the most expensive part of THAT segment is expanding the link to Union Station and expanding the loop there.
Even before 2010, various options were looked at and were outside our scope at the time with a new underpass wider than the current one costing around $50 million back then. As far I am concern, it is still the best option, but we are dealing with a different rail corridor today than it was plan 15 years ago.

Even the current option moving the ROW to the east is not going to be cheap and it could be done like they did for Hurontario LRT push box at Port Credit. Down side to that will require every track in the corridor to have bridge tracks in place to allow the push box to be push under the corridor while trains are running. The trains will be running at a slower speed level and having an effect on the service level.

Yes, the QQE will be up and running long before the Cherry St extension happens, but how many of us will be around to see it happen??
 
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This might be silly idea but just thinking ... was there an opportunity to to put the street car platforms underneath the new south concourse at union? and have a pedestrian runnel to the subway platform?

The below image is from the 2019 report. GOs new platform is where the south tracks are in this image.

I can see a few challenges:
  • The curve to that south track space would be really tight. The arena office building foundation probably gets in the way.
  • Black squares are railway support pillars. A few of those are in the way too and moving them is non-trivial.
  • It would be a deadend track and require double-ended rolling stock. IMO, TTC should be heading this direction anyway despite a small loss in capacity.
  • Barrier free transfer to the subway looks doable but would be a long walk.


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