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VIA Rail

Two interesting tenders up on MERX:
https://www.merx4.merx.com/public/solicitations/549271666/abstract
HEP2 Coach and Business cars window masks

VIA Rail will soon begin a refurbish project to modernize their HEP2 fleet of Coach and Business cars. Part of this modernization program includes the replacement of all window masks.

The objective of this Tender is to award to a qualified supplier , an order to produce, based on drawings, the thirty-five (35) sizes of window masks for one (1) prototype Coach car , twenty-two (22) Coach cars , ten (10) HEP2 Business cars and spare parts. The option of fourteen (14) additional cars for 2020 is also included in this ITT.

There are thirty-five (35) configurations of window masks covering .

VIA Rail’s expectations is that the First Article be received at VIA Rail by Q1 2018 or sooner.

RFP Advisory Services Pre-Qualification


The VIA Information Technology (IT) department is in the process of evaluating its needs from an IT services perspective. In preparation for future growth, VIA Rail would like to pre-qualify a set of firms who would be used to obtain quality consulting services for initiatives where a tender process may be required. More specifically, these services would be used to elaborate a sourcing strategy, assessment of the current services in order to prepare the required scope of work and specifications for the tender documentation (RFP), develop evaluation criteria and approach, supporting VIA during the tender process and evaluation, develop an action plan in order to make recommendations to management, supporting VIA in the contract negotiations and potentially managing any future transition work.

A few things that I find interesting:

  • I had no idea that VIA was rebuilding its HEP fleet, I assumed that they would be scrapped
  • What does the RFP Advisory look like to UT users? To me it sounds like VIA is getting ready to put out a big RFP and needs help with it... dare I say this is for HFR?

 
Looks like the RFP that Via sent out last year failed. The Big 3 (Siemens, Alstom and Bombardier) probably avoided it and are still feeling residual burns from previous RFPs.
 
What does the RFP Advisory look like to UT users? To me it sounds like VIA is getting ready to put out a big RFP and needs help with it... dare I say this is for HFR?
I fear the opposite. VIA are still waiting for a budget appropriation to allow them to do anything of size. Please correct me if something is imminent, but I have read no announcement even for the 'new fleet'.

Looks like the RFP that Via sent out last year failed. The Big 3 (Siemens, Alstom and Bombardier) probably avoided it and are still feeling residual burns from previous RFPs.
I was told that a 'winner' was selected, and on VIA's stated terms (complete trainset with dual-mode loco either end). But there's been nothing since.

One wonders...I think a shoe or two is about to drop from other directions though. The BBD fiasco has yet to settle, but a 'new prince' might ride to the 'rescue'.
 
I fear the opposite. VIA are still waiting for a budget appropriation to allow them to do anything of size. Please correct me if something is imminent, but I have read no announcement even for the 'new fleet'.

I was told that a 'winner' was selected, and on VIA's stated terms (complete trainset with dual-mode loco either end). But there's been nothing since.

One wonders...I think a shoe or two is about to drop from other directions though. The BBD fiasco has yet to settle, but a 'new prince' might ride to the 'rescue'.

I realize we all want a shiny new fleet, but VIA should first focus on getting the dedicated tracks approved and built first.

Just build the tracks to high speed standards, and run the current fleet on them until we get the money for electrification and new trains.

The current trains (specifically the Genesis locomotives with the LRC cars) can run at 177 km/h flat out on the proper tracks, and compared to the current speeds we have on the CN line, stuck behind freight trains etc, it will still be a big improvement.
 
The new fleet needs to come first. Many of VIA's rail cars - even on the Corridor - date back to the 1950s. The LRC cars - IMO, VIA's best rolling stock, are over 30 years old. The newest cars, the Renaissance, are second-hand, and are prematurely deteriorating. Buying a new fleet now is essential to maintain existing service and make minor improvements, never mind HFR.

VIA needs to start ordering a new rail fleet that can operate a higher speed, but that doesn't preclude operations on existing track. Even European HSR trainsets can, and do, operate over conventional railines, especially near major terminals.
 
The new fleet needs to come first. Many of VIA's rail cars - even on the Corridor - date back to the 1950s. The LRC cars - IMO, VIA's best rolling stock, are over 30 years old. The newest cars, the Renaissance, are second-hand, and are prematurely deteriorating. Buying a new fleet now is essential to maintain existing service and make minor improvements, never mind HFR.

VIA needs to start ordering a new rail fleet that can operate a higher speed, but that doesn't preclude operations on existing track. Even European HSR trainsets can, and do, operate over conventional railines, especially near major terminals.

Agree to disagree. The current fleet is getting refurbished. It will be fine for another 15 years.

Via has an on time performance and speed problem. It needs to be fixed asap before anything else.
 
Agree to disagree. The current fleet is getting refurbished. It will be fine for another 15 years.

Via has an on time performance and speed problem. It needs to be fixed asap before anything else.
I beg to differ, albeit in all fairness, I thought similar to you until the appalling state of the superstructure on the LRC fleet was pointed out to me. Ironically, some of the heritage fleet *is* worth refurbishing. I'm sure Urban Sky would love to jump into this discussion, but he's restrained from doing so other than to point out officially sanctioned references, one of which I'll do.

First: (And here's the political failing writ large)
IRJ at InnoTrans 2016: CANADIAN inter-city passenger operator Via Rail is moving forward with preparations to procure a new fleet of bi-mode (diesel and electric) trains as part of its $C 4bn plan to upgrade the Toronto – Ottawa – Montreal corridor.

CEO Mr Yves Desjardins-Siciliano told IRJ at InnoTrans on September 21 that Via Rail is seeking to acquire a proven design that is “in production or in use today,” with the first trains due to enter service by 2020.

“We’re looking for an established solution that meets Canadian requirements and is capable of operating in temperatures of between -40 and +40oC,” Desjardins-Siciliano says.
Via Rail plans a minimum order for between 32 and 48 trains, providing a total 10,000-14,000 seats.

The Canadian government is expected to make a decision on the funding structure for the Toronto – Montreal project by March, which will determine the procurement timeline and fleet composition. Tendering could begin as early as March or April 2017.

In March this year the federal budget allocated Via Rail $C 7.7m in the current financial year to fund pre-procurement activities for new rolling stock, level crossing safety enhancements, and station security. This will enable Via Rail to take the rolling stock project to the Request for Proposals (RFQ) stage.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c....html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=ubuntu

Shron: Via Rail's fleet is obsolete. Can't we do better?

Some of our nation’s busiest trains are 70 years old, and this is a disgrace.

Jason Shron
Published on: May 4, 2017 | Last Updated: May 4, 2017 2:11 PM EDT

Riding the train in Canada is like stepping into a time warp. Via Rail Canada’s passenger car fleet is a hodge-podge of mismatched equipment built as long ago as 1947, and it is a national embarrassment.

In February, Via placed a bid for 12 RDCs – Rail Diesel Cars – that were offered for sale by Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART). These RDCs were built in the 1950s and were originally owned by Via. They were sold to DART in 1993 following the cuts to Via by the government of Brian Mulroney in 1990. Via placed a market-value offer but were outbid by a Vermont startup interested in developing regional rail services in and around Burlington.

Via intended to refurbish the RDCs for expanded regional services in Ontario and the Maritimes. However, the fact that Via placed a bid on 1950s-built railcars in 2017 is reflective of a bigger problem with Canada’s national passenger railway. It is starved of capital funding and as a result its fleet truly is ancient.

If you board a train in Montreal, you will ride on one of three types of equipment. The newest cars are Via’s Renaissance trains. These cars were purchased from the United Kingdom by the government of Jean Chrétien in late 2000. The fleet was built for proposed overnight Channel Tunnel services and was entirely unsuited to Canadian weather and track, but as the cars were surplus they were very affordable. Today, the Renaissance cars are the most expensive to operate: Each train requires an extra non-revenue car to provide controls to the coaches; the cars are not interchangeable with any other railcars in Canada; and the fleet has exhibited serious corrosion problems, with many cars stored unserviceable.

Via’s LRC (Light, Rapid, Comfortable) fleet was built by Bombardier between 1981 and 1984. The LRCs are in the final phase of a major refurbishment program, but this does not alter the fact that these lightweight train cars were not designed to operate for 36 years and counting. Many are exhibiting structural problems and will need to be replaced soon for safety and reliability reasons.

The oldest trains in VIA’s fleet are HEP-2 (Head End Power) cars. These were built between 1947 and 1953 for American streamliners. They were purchased secondhand and refurbished by Via in the 1990s without any extra government capital funding. These antique trains are not used out on quiet remote services. They are used on fast intercity trains in southern Ontario and Quebec. Some of our nation’s busiest trains are 70 years old, and this is a disgrace.

Via’s mismatched fleet requires expensive duplication of skills and materials for maintenance. It may be a rail enthusiast’s dream to ride on a 1940s’ passenger car between Toronto and Montreal, but for a national passenger railway it is an embarrassment.

Canada is the only G7 nation that has not seen significant capital funding in intercity passenger rail in a generation. Since 2000, Via has only received a total of $1.6 billion (2017 dollars) for capital investments. In comparison, the United Kingdom spends more than that on passenger rail capital projects each year, with work wrapping up in 2018 on a new, $26-billion passenger rail line through London. When Via received its last purpose-built passenger cars in 1984, China still had trains pulled by steam engines. Today, China has the largest high-speed rail network in the world. Canada has yet to build a single high-speed line.

A new fleet needs to bring standardization and flexibility to Via’s operations in Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes, and allow expansion of services in western Canada. It needs to be reliable, and must thus be an adaptation of a current intercity passenger train product offered by one of the major suppliers: Alstom, Bombardier, CAF, Siemens. The supplier needs to offer a “build and maintain” contract, so reliability issues are the responsibility of the supplier and not the Canadian taxpayer.

Most importantly, a new fleet for Via needs to be modern and reflective of 21st-century Canada and its commitment to reducing its carbon footprint by providing fast and efficient intercity train service. It should not be a British hand-me-down or a rebuilt train from the 1950s.

Jason Shron is a model train manufacturer and advocate for passenger rail in Canada.
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/shron-via-rails-fleet-is-obsolete-cant-we-do-better

All of the above can be misconstrued to be integral with the HFR proposal, which is unfortunate, and partly VIA's doing by being so avid on the Gov't coming through with funding (ostensibly via the Infrastructure Bank) for HFR.

So here's VIA's making clear what is needed, and needed *now* (yesterday actually):

Train fleet renewal program in the Quebec city – Windsor corridor
WHAT:

VIA Rail’s train fleet is naturally approaching the end of its useful life, and will need to be replaced. Safety is not one of the reasons for its renewal.

WHY:

The new engines will perform better and consume less energy.

The new fleet is also in line with the government of Canada’s objectives: stimulating economic growth, creating jobs and helping reduce greenhouse gases.

BENEFITS:

According to data provided by international experts on the habits of customers/users of various transportation modes, new equipment or a new fleet has the potential to increase train ridership by 15% to 30%. This is excellent news, in light of VIA Rail’s objective: to help reduce greenhouse gases by getting more people to take the train. This will also relieve highway congestion, especially at access points to major urban centres.

COST:

Estimates for replacement of the fleet, currently composed of 160 cars and 40 locomotives are between $1 billion (a diesel fleet) and $1.3 billion (a diesel/electric dual-mode fleet).

It’s too early to determine exactly what type of equipment will make up this new fleet. There are a number of options being considered. One thing is certain: the fleet components will be tested for compliance with the industry’s highest quality standards.

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http://www.viarail.ca/en/about-via-rail/governance-and-reports/fleet-renewal-program
 
VIA's fleet will not last another 15 years. Some cars attrit over time, and there's the problem.

VIA has done a superb job of maximising the utilisation of its corridor equipment. D-S deserves much credit for this, it's one of his biggest accomplishments in his time at VIA. But this only can be stretched so far. There is no spare capacity left.

If VIA loses even a couple of cars a year - and given the age and mechanical condition of the LRC fleet, it will lose more than this - its only option will be to cancel trains. Or shorten them, which in a demand management scenario means fares will rise. That will harm VIA's reputation and its marketability.

The government's refusal to capitalise the fleet properly is one way that Ottawa is killing VIA with tiny paper cuts. The commitment to a new, larger fleet does not need to wait for new tracks. It should be pushed ahead quickly.

Neil Young said it - rust never sleeps.

- Paul
 
A few things that I find interesting:
  • I had no idea that VIA was rebuilding its HEP fleet, I assumed that they would be scrapped
  • What does the RFP Advisory look like to UT users? To me it sounds like VIA is getting ready to put out a big RFP and needs help with it... dare I say this is for HFR?

Looks to me like exactly what is written. An RFP for expanded IT. Maybe they'll improve onboard and station wifi.

This is VIA. Don't get your hopes.

I expected more from this government. But we're at mid-point and they haven't done squat. At best, we'll get an "advisory panel" for them to electioneer on in 2019.
 
Looks to me like exactly what is written. An RFP for expanded IT. Maybe they'll improve onboard and station wifi.

This is VIA. Don't get your hopes.

The onboard wifi on VIA is garbage. Considering that the only advantage Via has over bus/plane is the ability to work on the trip, it's mindblowing that they don't have properly functioning wifi. Nowadays you can get better internet while flying.

Before asking for billions for a whole new route for HFR, they could shell out for working wifi so that at least people could get things done while their train is delayed for passing freight trains.

/rant
 
The onboard wifi on VIA is garbage. Considering that the only advantage Via has over bus/plane is the ability to work on the trip, it's mindblowing that they don't have properly functioning wifi. Nowadays you can get better internet while flying.

Before asking for billions for a whole new route for HFR, they could shell out for working wifi so that at least people could get things done while their train is delayed for passing freight trains.

/rant

Agreed. One of my regular frustrations with VIA. To be honest, VIA would have a better rep, even with the terrible schedule they are forced to run, if they had nicer trains and more reliable wifi.
 
And so was Rob Ford's Sheppard line extension.

Billions of taxpayer dollars are going into this regardless of whatever pension fund gets to profit on government debt.
Where to begin on that rant? In the event, the Gov't most likely won't put a cent into this. It will be done *completely* privately, including the rolling stock (from a vertically integrated corporation) and then leased to VIA. Then listen to the howls of outrage when that corporation is based and financed off-shore. The CSeries was a harbinger of where the rest of BBD is headed.

But just a reminder of your claim:
Before asking for billions for a whole new route for HFR, they could shell out for working wifi so that at least people could get things done while their train is delayed for passing freight trains.
I take it "they" and "their" means VIA? If not, your reference is dangling...

The projected HFR RoW was and is to be private. Your rant is somewhat misplaced.

No-one wants fleet renewal more than VIA themselves. It's not like the point hasn't been made crystal clear by the references posted...
 
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Where to begin on that rant? In the event, the Gov't most likely won't put a cent into this. It will be done *completely* privately, including the rolling stock (from a vertically integrated corporation) and then leased to VIA. Then listen to the howls of outrage when that corporation if based and financed off-shore. The CSeries was a harbinger of where the rest of BBD is headed.

But just a reminder of your claim:
I take it "they" and "their" means VIA? If not, your reference is dangling...

The projected HFR RoW was and is to be private. Your rant is somewhat misplaced.

The rant was about wifi and quick wins vs. megaprojects. "They" is clearly Via Rail.

The idea that Via Rail can privately fund a capital project of several billion dollars without a cent of government assistance and turn a profit on it is laughable. This a company that spends ~$2 for each dollar it earns and hasn't seen a significant ridership increase in the past half century.
 

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