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U.S. Elections 2008

Who will be the next US president?

  • John McCain

    Votes: 8 7.8%
  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 80 77.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 14.6%

  • Total voters
    103
New Hampshire is a strange state, n'est pas? It isn't that churchy, it's surrounded by some of the most liberal states in the union (and Quebec), and they don't believe in seatbelts. They often vote Republican. And their tollroad plazas have liquor stores.

With congress (for now) controlled by the Democrats, but the senate barely, that scenario would no doubt get ugly very quickly. If it was the GOP controlled, I'd half expect the Dems to roll over like they did in 2000 before it got to Daddy's boys in the Supreme Court.

I hope NH goes the other way. Palin is looking like such a dumb choice lately, and her Alaskan politics is dirty, even for the mayorship of a small town. Not to mention her future son-in-law is looking like a real winner, isn't he?

The best part is how they claim that she's got foreign affairs credentials because she heads the state closest to Russia (Never mind Moscow is closer to Wilmington than it is to Anchorage).
 
Sarah Palin Roundup
- Her youngest child is most likely belongs to her daughter.

- Her daughter is prégo out of wedlock. This is only bad when juxtaposed with the GOP's self-preceived notion of bearing the moral torch.

- Her daughter's baby-daddy has "Don't want kids!" written on his MySpace page

- She got elected on supporting the bridge to nowhere (which McCain has always alluded to as wasteful earmarking). She cancelled the bridge, because she wanted to use the money elsewhere in her budget. She now proudly states that she was against the bridge, and therefore pork. LOL

- She was a director of Ted Steven's 527 group (raising unlimited money from corporate donors), yet pretends she is anti-lobbyist. Stevens was later indicted on corruption charges

- Was involved with a successionist Alaskan group

- Was almost-recalled as mayor, where she left a nasty debt.

- Cut funding to a social program directed at finding housing for new mothers. Wahh wahh.

- Is being investigated for political interference in "troopergate".

- Has effectively cancelled any future playing of the experience or celebirty card by the GOP

- Was vetted by a Google search, and met with John McCain once, for 15 min. She is currently being vetted. Yes, currently.

Hilarious.
 
Strange choice - if not a bizarre one.

Otherwise, unfortunate that a young woman has become a political pawn because of her pregnancy.
 
Strange choice - if not a bizarre one.

Otherwise, unfortunate that a young woman has become a political pawn because of her pregnancy.

The GOP and the media seem to be making the biggest deal out of the pregnancy. Democrats and lefties could care less.

To me, there are far more legimate questions about the selection.

Looks like she has herself a crazy pastor as well!

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html


And it just keeps getting better:

Every year, McCain publishes a list of wasteful earmarks, in an attempt to show the absurdity of waste in the government. Keep in mind that he's running on an anti-lobbyist (ignoring that he's surrounded by them), anti-pork mandate. Well, last year's list contains 3 entries from a little Alaskan town called Wasilla... guess who was mayor? Palin brought in 27 million in earmarks, via disgraced lobbyist Ted Stevens, and left the town 20 million in debt. This from a "reformer"

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,284198.story

What a joke.

And now even the Washinton Post is reporting that McCain met Palin once, for 15 minutes, the day before she was named. She was not vetted.

Hopefully the average voter will realize the incompetence of McCain (and his future administration) by advancing a completely inappropriate selection as a candidate for "2nd most powerful person in the world". They've been talking a lot about judgement, and this SHOULD be the nail in the coffin for McCain (I say "should", but never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter).
 
but...

she has the executive experience!

she didn't abort her son!

she hunts and likes the guns!

she thinks jesus is a cool guy!

she's married and has the children!

she goes to the church place!

these things matter to alot of american people. why? who the fuck knows!

if the republicans win it, america is over.
 
but...

she has the executive experience!

she didn't abort her son!

she hunts and likes the guns!

she thinks jesus is a cool guy!

she's married and has the children!

she goes to the church place!

these things matter to alot of american people. why? who the fuck knows!

if the republicans win it, america is over.

America was over 4 years ago. LOL
 
I can only give so much of the blame to the politicians, but eventually you must face the fact that is was the PEOPLE who elected him. If they elected Bush, then REelected him and THEN chose the same party once more, I'm gonna have to throw my hands up and call it quits. What little faith I had in America would be gone. Something must be collectively wrong the American people as was the same with the people of Germany in 1932........I'm sorry..... Godwin's Law. :eek:
 
I actually expect Obama to win, but that doesn't mean the United States has been fully redeemed.
 
Mayor Palin: A Rough Record
By Nathan Thornburgh / Wasilla, Alaska



John McCain was clear about why he picked half-term Alaska governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate. "I found someone with an outstanding reputation for standing up to special interests and entrenched bureaucracies," he said in introducing her in Dayton, Ohio, on Friday. Palin was someone, he noted, "who reached across the aisle and asked Republicans, Democrats and independents to serve in government."

It is a powerful reinforcement of McCain's own political brand: tough, reform-minded, willing to break with his own party for the right cause. And it's true that her high-profile crusade against corruption and complacency in her own state party over the past few years has made Palin the Frank Serpico of Alaska politics: she publicly ratted out her state party chairman; whupped the good old boys' network, as she likes to put it, in a gubernatorial primary; and fought a general election in which the scandal-stained state GOP didn't lift a finger on her behalf. She won only because she had the enthusiastic backing of independents and grass-roots activists.

But in the first major race of her career — the 1996 campaign for mayor of her hometown, Wasilla — Palin was a far more conventional politician. In fact, according to some who were involved in that fight, Palin was a highly polarizing political figure who brought partisan politics and hot-button social issues like abortion and gun control into a mayoral race that had traditionally been contested like a friendly intramural contest among neighbors.

In the early '90s, Wasilla was little more than half as big as it is today, and much more loosely confederated. The main issue then, says longtime resident Chas St. George, was public safety. "We needed a police department," he says. "So we set up a group to make it happen." That group — Watch on Wasilla — included a handful of the town's most influential figures: St. George; the town's mayor, John Stein; and Palin, who wasn't in elected office yet. Her father-in-law Jim Palin and his wife Faye were also in the group.

Eventually, they started a police department, led by chief Irl Stambaugh. Kaylene Johnson, author of Sarah, a Palin biography published earlier this year, says one place where the power group met was a step-aerobics class that Stambaugh and Stein took along with Palin. That class signed the original petition for Palin's first political race, for city council in 1992, which she won.

Four years later, she took on her former workout buddy in a race that quickly became contentious. In Stein's view, Palin's main transgression was injecting big-time politics into a small-town local race. "It was always a nonpartisan job," he says. "But with her, the state GOP came in and started affecting the race." While Palin often describes that race as having been a fight against the old boys' club, Stein says she made sure the campaign hinged on issues like gun owners' rights and her opposition to abortion (Stein is pro-choice). "It got to the extent that — I don't remember who it was now — but some national antiabortion outfit sent little pink cards to voters in Wasilla endorsing her," he says.

Vicki Naegele was the managing editor of the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman at the time. "[Stein] figured he was just going to run your average, friendly small-town race," she recalls, "but it turned into something much different than that." Naegele held the same conservative Christian beliefs as Palin but didn't think they had any place in local politics.

"I just thought, That's ridiculous, she should concentrate on roads, not abortion," says Naegele.

St. George worked on Stein's campaign at the time, and while he says he has no reason to dispute Stein's recollection of events, he doesn't remember Palin's conduct being beyond the pale. "Our tax coffers were starting to grow," he says. "John was for expanding services, and Sarah wasn't. That's what the race was about."

One thing all sides agree on is that the valley was in flux. The old libertarian pioneer ethos was giving way to a rising Christian conservatism. By shrewdly invoking issues that mattered to the ascendant majority, Palin won the mayor's race. But while she may have been a new face, says Naegele, she was no maverick — not yet. "The state party gave her the mechanism to get into that office," says Naegele. "As soon as she was confident enough to brush them off, she did. But she wasn't an outsider to start with. She very much had to kowtow to them."

Governing was no less contentious than campaigning, at least to begin with. Palin ended up dismissing almost all the city department heads who had been loyal to Stein, including a few who had been instrumental in getting her into politics to begin with. Some saw it as a betrayal. Stambaugh, the police chief and a member of Palin's step-aerobics class, filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination, alleging that Palin terminated him in part at the behest of the National Rifle Association, because he had opposed a concealed-gun law that the NRA supported. He eventually lost the suit. The animosity spawned some talk of a recall attempt, but eventually Palin's opponents in the city council opted for a more conciliatory route.

At some point in those fractious first days, Palin told the department heads they needed her permission to talk to reporters. "She put a gag order on those people, something that you'd expect to find in the big city, not here," says Naegele. "She flew in there like a big-city gal, which she's not. It was a strange time, and [the [ITALIC "Frontiersman"]] came out very harshly against her."

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

St. George, however, points out that Palin couldn't have seen everything through an Evangelical lens. She did, he says, notably resist calls to restrict operating hours for the bars in town. And even if faith did play an unusually large role in her decision-making as mayor, it may have only reflected the continued rise of Evangelicalism in the valley, a growth that continues to this day.

"We like to call this the Bible Belt of Alaska," says Cheryl Metiva, head of the local chamber of commerce. Churches proliferate in Wasilla today, and among the largest and most influential is the Wasilla Bible Church, where the Palins worship.

At the 11:15 a.m. Sunday service, hundreds sit in folding chairs, listening to a 20-minute sermon about the Book of Malachi and singing along to alt-rock praise songs. The only sign of culture warring in the whole production is an insert in the day's program advertising an upcoming Focus on the Family conference on homosexuality in Anchorage called Love Won Out. The group promises to teach attendees how to "respond to misinformation in our culture" and help them "overcome" homosexuality.


When Palin, who went on to win re-election by a landslide, was forced out of the Mayor's office by term limits in 2002, her husband Todd's stepmother Faye Palin ran for mayor. She did not, however, get Sarah Palin's endorsement. A couple of people told me that they thought abortion was the reason for Palin not supporting her family member — Faye, they say, is pro-choice, not to mention a Democrat. A former city council member recalls that it was a heated race, mainly because of right-to-life issues: "People were writing BABYKILLER on Faye's campaign signs just a few days before the election." Faye Palin lost the race to the candidate that Sarah backed, Dianne Keller, who is still mayor of Wasilla. (Over the weekend, Faye Palin told the New York Daily News that she liked listening to Barack Obama speak and that she wasn't sure who she would vote for in November.)

By the time Sarah Palin was entering state politics, the hottest issue in Alaska wasn't gay marriage or even abortion. It was corruption and cronyism. Andrew Halcro, a noted Palin critic who ran against her as an independent in the governor's race, says she knew instinctively that the issues were changing. Plus, he says, her opponents, such as incumbent governor Frank Murkowski, whom she defeated in the primary, were just as hard-right on abortion and guns as she was.

She needed a new political identity to make it to the next level, so ethics reform became her calling card. "She's a very savvy politician," says Halcro. "So wedge issues were not part of the portfolio."

"If anything," he says, "she got tired of answering questions about them." Halcro recalls one debate in October 2006 in which, after repeated questions about her opposition to abortion even in cases of rape or incest, she looked at the moderator with exasperation and asked if they were going to talk about anything besides abortion. It was detracting from her new message: cleaning up the capitol.

Nor has Palin made social issues the cornerstone of her governorship. When a parental consent law was struck down by Alaska's highest court in 2007, Palin called the decision "outrageous" but refused calls from conservatives to remedy the defeat by introducing antiabortion legislation in a session that was supposed to be about drilling rights.

Wearing her faith quietly fits more with Palin's personality, says St. George. "In all the years I've known Sarah and her parents, we never talked about right-to-life or any of that," he says. "She doesn't let those issues get in the way of getting things done for the community."

In the end, her political journey from banner-waving GOP social conservative to maverick reformer may simply be about good timing. It's what former journalist Bill McAllister, who now works for Palin's press staff, used to call "Sarah-dipity" — that uncanny gift of knowing exactly what voters are looking for at a particular moment. And, of course, the political will to give them what they want.


http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html



At the 11:15 a.m. Sunday service, hundreds sit in folding chairs, listening to a 20-minute sermon about the Book of Malachi....

"Malachi 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces..."

:eek:
 
America was over 4 years ago. LOL

Yeah, the first term could probably be justified by US voters. The economy was good, so social issues came to the fore. But to pick Bush over Kerry as their war time president in 2004. WTF?

I actually think McCain would have been the right guy for the job in 2000. But in 2008, he is starting to look dated. His foreign policy experience, etc. has no relevance in an increasingly multi-polar world. And his economic policy, would make a bad situation worse. The US needs to take its lumps with the recession and raise taxes to fix its fiscal situation. To argue that you need more tax cuts certainly shows he has no clue how to run the economy.
 
Bush was not elected in 2000, Keith. He lost the national popular vote, and the electoral college went in favor of GW Bush because of the debacle in Florida.

He was selected President in 2000.

He was elected in 2004.
 
If you wanna know why America is the way it is and has headed the way it has, consider this: to date, Sarah Palin has three times as many descendents existing or pending as Barack Obama. Six to two. And the Clintons, to date, only have one. And I have zero...
 
I can only give so much of the blame to the politicians, but eventually you must face the fact that is was the PEOPLE who elected him. If they elected Bush, then REelected him and THEN chose the same party once more, I'm gonna have to throw my hands up and call it quits. What little faith I had in America would be gone. Something must be collectively wrong the American people as was the same with the people of Germany in 1932........I'm sorry..... Godwin's Law. :eek:

Pretty much. If McCain wins, I will give up on America and never again sympathize with them.
 

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