TTC: Streetcar Network

[north-of-anything]

I wonder how much the streetcar routes are planned to be reorganized and changed once some of the waterfront lines are put in - Waterfront West, Waterfront East, Broadview, Villiers Island, etc. There could be an effort to re-designate these streetcar routes on the same level as, say, Finch West?

 

[DSC]

I wonder how much the streetcar routes are planned to be reorganized and changed once some of the waterfront lines are put in - Waterfront West, Waterfront East, Broadview, Villiers Island, etc. There could be an effort to re-designate these streetcar routes on the same level as, say, Finch West?

Let's get the damned things built before we start planning their operation.

 

[drum118]

I wonder how much the streetcar routes are planned to be reorganized and changed once some of the waterfront lines are put in - Waterfront West, Waterfront East, Broadview, Villiers Island, etc. There could be an effort to re-designate these streetcar routes on the same level as, say, Finch West?

Will you be around in 30-50 years to see it at the current rate things are getting built???

Will not see Waterfront until about 2031/32, Villiers Island 2040-50, Waterfront West around 2040-60 and there is no EA for Broadview that may happen about 2040.

 

[NoahB]

Despite earlier headaches, TTC planning to order more streetcars from Bombardier

Agency staff recommend purchasing an additional 13 cars at a cost of $140 million with a target date for the start of delivery by 2023.

www.thestar.com

They plan to order 13. If funding available, up to 60.

No new info...

 

[robmausser]

Despite earlier headaches, TTC planning to order more streetcars from Bombardier

Agency staff recommend purchasing an additional 13 cars at a cost of $140 million with a target date for the start of delivery by 2023.

www.thestar.com

They plan to order 13. If funding available, up to 60.

No new info...

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know

 

[nfitz]

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know

According to the accompanying TTC report, the devil you know is also significantly cheaper (and presumably much earlier) than the devil you don't. http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Com...5_TTC_Fleet_Procurement_Strategy_and_Plan.pdf

 

[Amare]

Some very interesting tidbits in the Report, and i'm very surprised to hear of the immediate procurement of 13 additional streetcars. Its like Christmas came early...kind of.

Let's just hope they dont stop at 13, and actually procure the full 60 additional streetcars needed.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Some very interesting tidbits in the Report, and i'm very surprised to hear of the immediate procurement of 13 additional streetcars. Its like Christmas came early...kind of.

Let's just hope they dont stop at 13, and actually procure the full 60 additional streetcars needed.

They should aim for 100+.

 

[drum118]

They should aim for 100+.

Where do you plan for them to be store since there is no space for 40+ of those cars after Hillcrest is done??

Who paying for the extra 40+ cars?

 

[Northern Light]

Where do you plan for them to be store since there is no space for 40+ of those cars after Hillcrest is done??

Who paying for the extra 40+ cars?

Now now Drum, lets not be all pessimistic.

The TTC's solution to lack of storage while Roncy yard was under reconstruction was to run more service!

If they're in motion 24/7, they don't need to be stored!

The money......well..........that's an issue, for another day.

 

[crs1026]

Bombardier Class B share price on June 26, 2009 (the day City Council approved the Flexity order) - $3.40
Bombardier Class B share price today - $0.33

If Bombardier hasn't felt the pain already, the TTC not ordering more streetcars is not going to get their attention.

The cars work, and TTC does not need an oddball second brand with a duplicate parts supply etc.

So I'd say, go ahead and order the additional 60 Flexities. The issues of principle have already been addressed.

- Paul

 

[micheal_can]

Now now Drum, lets not be all pessimistic.

The TTC's solution to lack of storage while Roncy yard was under reconstruction was to run more service!

If they're in motion 24/7, they don't need to be stored!

The money......well..........that's an issue, for another day.

Maybe we should most of the storage areas an only have them in for service.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Where do you plan for them to be store since there is no space for 40+ of those cars after Hillcrest is done??

Who paying for the extra 40+ cars?

At the moment, Hillcrest has buses. Once the McNicoll Bus Garage is available by the end of 2020 (allegedly), they can reconfigure Hillcrest to become a barn & yard for streetcars.

 

[Bordercollie]

Bombardier Class B share price on June 26, 2009 (the day City Council approved the Flexity order) - $3.40
Bombardier Class B share price today - $0.33

If Bombardier hasn't felt the pain already, the TTC not ordering more streetcars is not going to get their attention.

The cars work, and TTC does not need an oddball second brand with a duplicate parts supply etc.

So I'd say, go ahead and order the additional 60 Flexities. The issues of principle have already been addressed.

- Paul

Will there be a need for more than 60 units before they are all delivered?

 

[W. K. Lis]

Will there be a need for more than 60 units before they are all delivered?

From link.

The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) is projected to be the fastest growing region of the province, with its population increasing by 2.6 million, or 36.7 per cent, from 7.0 million in 2019 to over 9.5 million by 2046. The GTA’s share of provincial population is projected to rise from 47.9 per cent in 2019 to 49.8 per cent in 2046.​

Subject to CONVID-19, of course.

See also link.

Remember that before the Spanish Flu, Toronto had a population of...

1911	381,383

After the Spanish Flu...

1921	521,893