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TTC: Other Items (catch all)

Steve X said:
Except not everything is correct.
501 Queen S.C. is currently a bus route. 511 Bathurst has not S.C suffix even through it is the one that should get it to distinguish against the 7 Bathurst bus. 509, 510 and 514 doesn't have S.C. either. Clearly the person updating the name doesn't care.
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Good point I think we need some clarification on it.
 
In just a few weeks, the TTC will officially nix its time-based transfer program along St. Clair West after more than a decade of piloting the idea – unless a local BIA succeeds in getting its way.

The program, introduced in 2005 to relieve construction woes, allows passengers to jump on and off public transit anywhere along the 512 St. Clair route for a period of two hours, so long as they have a transfer.​

From link.

The BIA started a Change.org petition last week asking the TTC and "appropriate government sectors" to reconsider their disposal of the program.​

Sign the on-line petition at this link.

Instead of ending the "experiment", expand it system-wide.
 
W. K. Lis said:
In just a few weeks, the TTC will officially nix its time-based transfer program along St. Clair West after more than a decade of piloting the idea – unless a local BIA succeeds in getting its way.

The program, introduced in 2005 to relieve construction woes, allows passengers to jump on and off public transit anywhere along the 512 St. Clair route for a period of two hours, so long as they have a transfer.[...]​
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That's an interesting point I hadn't considered. Most of the discussion revolves around how much more practical it is for riders and TTC personnel checking transfers.

It also has implications for the claim that some merchants on Bloor are being hurt by the presence of bike lanes, whereas the implication for St Clair merchants is that the presence of pedestrians, and by extension, cyclists, is positive for sales.

In the event, I wonder if the BIA would be willing to make an offer to supplement the TTC in some fiscal way, perhaps as a percentage of sales or premium on civic taxes to keep the present transfer policy in place? That may be difficult with the move away from transfers altogether, but still, it raises some issues worth discussing.​
 
For comparison purposes, with the "problems" we have and had with cleanliness, lack of A/C on Line 2, weekend subway shutdowns, etc., take a look at New York City's subway.

See this link on
New York’s Oldest Subway Cars, Beautiful Symbols of a Sad Decline


Though now a symbol of the New York City subway system’s state of disrepair, the R32 cars are genuinely a marvel of mid-twentieth-century engineering.

In 1964, the New York City Transit Authority introduced the shiny, stainless-steel R32 subway car. “There was a very special inaugural trip that took place on today’s Metro-North line into Grand Central Terminal, welcoming the trains into New York,” James Giovan, an educator at the New York Transit Museum, told me recently. The R32s were dubbed Brightliners. By 1965, six hundred had been built. With their brilliant corrugated bodies, they bore little resemblance to other cars. They were praised for having the clearest intercom system. Their plastic benches marked the end of gritty rattan-wicker seats. The R32 was the train of the future, offering a vision of what mass transit would look like in fifty years—literally, as it happens, because, against all odds, roughly two hundred of the original R32s still operate on New York City’s C, J, and Z lines. They are the oldest subway cars still in service in the city, and among the oldest still operating in the world.

Amid a year of perpetual delays, terrifying derailments, power blackouts that have left riders stranded underground and between stations for hours at a time, service changes so counter intuitive and so alien that they could have been devised by Kafka or M. C. Escher—not to mention the century-old tile peeling from the station walls, the mystery stalagmites and stalactites, the rusted support beams, the countdown clocks that seem to operate beyond the boundaries of time and space—the R32, once a forward-looking beacon for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (which absorbed the New York City Transit Authority, in 1968), is now a symbol of its failure to update its technology and infrastructure. Many of the R32 cars have trouble maintaining their air-conditioning for the duration of their trips; they are usually switched out for newer cars during the summer months. Today, the mean distance between R32 failures is thirty-three thousand miles, meaning that they happen for those cars about thirteen times as often as they do for the newer R188 cars, which can go four hundred and thirty-six thousand miles without a mechanical failure. The C line has been ranked the worst in the system by the Straphangers Campaign more often than any other subway line, a feat owed, in no small part, to the ancient cars that service it. Those frequent failures can create delays that ripple throughout the subway system...
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W. K. Lis said:
In just a few weeks, the TTC will officially nix its time-based transfer program along St. Clair West after more than a decade of piloting the idea – unless a local BIA succeeds in getting its way.

The program, introduced in 2005 to relieve construction woes, allows passengers to jump on and off public transit anywhere along the 512 St. Clair route for a period of two hours, so long as they have a transfer.​

From link.

The BIA started a Change.org petition last week asking the TTC and "appropriate government sectors" to reconsider their disposal of the program.​

Sign the on-line petition at this link.

Instead of ending the "experiment", expand it system-wide.
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PinkLucy said:
The link you provided went to "reasons for signing"; this link is to the actual petition: https://www.change.org/p/regal-heig...-st-clair-avenue-west?source_location=minibar
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An online petition isn't going to change anything. Besides the TTC has already decided at this point to do it so it's too late to change it.
 
If there's one good thing about Presto, it's that we'll actually be able to get a very accurate figure for the lost revenue from timed transfers. It doesn't mean that the TTC's management will have any interest in knowing, but if they do (or if city council forces the matter) they can actually tell us.
 
PinkLucy said:
You don't know that it won't change. Minds can be changed.
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Nope, I've seen other ones sent to large companies and they just ignored them. The problem with an online petition is anyone can sign it with any name. For example, one I saw had about four or five Indiana Jones and a few Obi Wan Konabis.

W. K. Lis said:
Maybe if we send petition links to your Councillor and the Mayor, they'll get the hint.
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It will probably just end up in their junk or spam folder or deleted by their secretary before they even see it even then they already know that the TTC is going ahead with it and won't likely change it because a few people that signed a petition want it to happen.
 
There are ways to submit online petitions to governments following their protocols. I've seen petitions work. Government and private companies are completely different.
 
PinkLucy said:
There are ways to submit online petitions to governments following their protocols. I've seen petitions work. Government and private companies are completely different.
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I really don't see it working in this case. The 2-hour transfer was put in place on St Clair during the counterion of the right of way to apes the people that were being forced onto buses much longer than anticipated for vaerous reason. Currently, Presto does have a roughly 90 minute to 2-hour transfer window but not to the same line or vehicle.
 
On the 35 Jane, noticed that a 195 Jane Rocket was coming up behind us (on a transit app). Got off, and boarded the express bus at a common bus stop. The PRESTO recorded it as a "transfer" (and had a little time for purchase a snack before the transfer. Horrors, a "stopover"!). Should have 2-hour transfers.

Hate the lack of a rear window on the "modern" buses, but that's off-topic.
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