TTC: New Fare Gate Installation

[EastYorkTTCFan]

I find it amazing that a transit agency that claims to be experienced can’t figure out that they need to turn some gates into dedicated out and dedicated in gates to prevent the current free for all that happens if you try to get into a station like Dundas as a train pulls in.

The problem is that happens at every station with only one exit. Yes it is anyoung to have people coming through the gate you were just going to tap into but there isn't much different than it was before as you could have someone come through the same turnstile that had a metropass Reader or a token slot on it. At least now with Presto metropass users aren't limited to only a few Gates at each station now.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Been to too many stations to see crews working on not one gate, but most of them. Then see a lot of out of service red arrow gates. Even when you use the Presto card right, gates don't open and have to try another one.

Its a real joke these days trying to use these gates

And not only that, but if you remember what the City Auditor General said, those crash gates effectively mean for most people, "free ride!"

 

[Leo_Chan]

Wouldn’t have to with dedicated in gates. Saving outbound people 5 seconds is not worth costing inbound people 3 minutes.

I agree that gates should be designated a direction depending on time of day and station usage, but how are the new gates any different from the old turnstiles?

 

[interchange42]

Been to too many stations to see crews working on not one gate, but most of them. Then see a lot of out of service red arrow gates. Even when you use the Presto card right, gates don't open and have to try another one.

Its a real joke these days trying to use these gates

I experience the vast majority of gates operating these days. The wide gates, which brake down more often than the others, are operating more consistently now too.

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[thettctransitfanatic]

I experience the vast majority of gates operating these days. The wide gates, which brake down more often than the others, are operating more consistently now too.

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At least Metrolinx gets good publicity for something

 

[DSC]

At least Metrolinx gets good publicity for something

Not sure why you think Metrolinx is involved, the gates are TTC property and responsibility.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Wouldn’t have to with dedicated in gates. Saving outbound people 5 seconds is not worth costing inbound people 3 minutes.

Not even that - dedicated in and out gates reduce crossflow and confusion and encourages predictability within a station. The current arrangement makes no sense whatsoever. It's frankly stupid.

AoD

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Not even that - dedicated in and out gates reduce crossflow and confusion and encourages predictability within a station. The current arrangement makes no sense whatsoever. It's frankly stupid.

AoD

The current set up is what we had with the existing turnstiles expect where they had the high gates.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

The current set up is what we had with the existing turnstiles expect where they had the high gates.

It was suboptimal then, it is suboptimal now - and don't forget that the current gate system is slower than turnstyles.

AoD

 

[amnesiajune]

Not sure why you think Metrolinx is involved, the gates are TTC property and responsibility.

Sort of. Metrolinx is involved in the agreement to buy the fare gates, since Metrolinx (for the Eglinton LRT), the TTC and OC Transpo (for their new LRT) made agreements to buy them together. It's pretty much just off-the-shelf fare gates though, the same ones are used in some other transit systems in Europe.

 

[nfitz]

It was suboptimal then, it is suboptimal now - and don't forget that the current gate system is slower than turnstyles.

Is it? The throughput seems about the same ... you can tap to enter while the gates are still open from the previous passenger and they stay open. Seems very similar to me, as long as you don't stand and wait - which people did also with the turnstiles.

 

[Leo_Chan]

I hope this leads to something:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1105513932545015810

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Is it? The throughput seems about the same ... you can tap to enter while the gates are still open from the previous passenger and they stay open. Seems very similar to me, as long as you don't stand and wait - which people did also with the turnstiles.

It is - the gates are slower and has a bit of a waiting period - not long, but magnified when it is alternating traffic on either side. Plus you still have to deal with the human part of the equation - negotiating who to go first; plus what happens if someone else decided to follow that first individual through. That means even though you are second, you'd have to look for a different faregate to enter/exit from. It's wasted time due to the lack of predictability that the system should offer.

I hope this leads to something:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1105513932545015810

Honestly, as a transit operator they shouldn't have to be told to look into this.

AoD

 

[Leo_Chan]

It is - the gates are slower and has a bit of a waiting period - not long, but magnified when it is alternating traffic on either side. Plus you still have to deal with the human part of the equation - negotiating who to go first; plus what happens if someone else decided to follow that first individual through. That means even though you are second, you'd have to look for a different faregate to enter/exit from. It's wasted time due to the lack of predictability that the system should offer.



Honestly, as a transit operator they shouldn't have to be told to look into this.

AoD

Well, the tweet seems to imply they are already looks at implementing this at some stations. Though I do agree that these measures should have been in place day 1.

 

[APTA-2048]

The current set up is what we had with the existing turnstiles expect where they had the high gates.

I'm quite certain, we've had stations with turnstiles that were exit only.