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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

If 4466 just suffers a pole damage, BBD could just send a team down to replace it. It would have been way cheaper than shipping it back. The damage must be beyond just the pole.

What goes up generally comes down. I would bet the pole got knocked downwards with force whenever it hit something en route, and that may have damaged things..

For those who like statistics - CP's system height standard for double stack trains is 20 feet 4 inches above the rail. The clearance above that is a matter of inches in places. The JTTX transporters have a deck height of about 3.5 feet above rail, and a Flexity has a height 12 feet 7 inches, with pole down. That gives the pole of a Flexity loaded on a transporter flat only about 4 feet of clearance before it hits something. Now imagine the pole fully extended......

- Paul
 
4469 is now in the in service car line and will finally enter service Friday with luck, after 25 days been here.

4470 is in final prep work for service and could enter service between Friday and Monday
 
There are 2 main modes on the Flexity for the doors, "all doors" and "enable". All doors opens all of the doors when pressed, and closes all of them when pressed again, it's intended for very high-traffic stops and end-of-line stations. Enable makes it so that individual doors open when the button on them is pressed, and they close automatically after a few seconds if nobody is walking through, or when the operator presses enable again; this mode is intended to be used at the majority of stops, mainly to keep the cold/hot air in the vehicle rather than letting in outside air of an undesirable temperature.

Both modes trigger a single chime, and a high-pitched tone for some reason, when they open. All doors results in the traditional 3 chimes when they close, whereas Enable triggers the single chime. As such, some operators who prefer all doors have discovered a trick--they open all doors, then when it's time to close them instead of pressing all doors 1 time they press enable 2 times, which switches the doors to enable mode and closes them with the shorter single chime.

Unfortunately, in my experience, the majority of operators open all doors the majority of the time, which really sucks in the summer/winter. It's gotten a bit better recently, but nowhere near what it should be.

That's because the TTC has decreed that all doors must open whenever a car is to stop for passengers. They are not to use the "enable" mode.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
That's because the TTC has decreed that all doors must open whenever a car is to stop for passengers. They are not to use the "enable" mode.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Is this because of the talked-about streetcar door problems or because customers who have to push a button will be confused or ???
 
IIRC when the new cars first entered service they were press button - but that lasted only a few weeks since customers got confused and angry when the door didn't open. I recall people yelling and being extremely upset since the door didn't open, they didn't know to press the button, and then missed the streetcar entirely.
 
IIRC when the new cars first entered service they were press button - but that lasted only a few weeks since customers got confused and angry when the door didn't open. I recall people yelling and being extremely upset since the door didn't open, they didn't know to press the button, and then missed the streetcar entirely.

I had trouble with this too after dark when only Spadina had the streetcars way back when.
The button, while in a good place for all to reach, is below your normal eye view, and is an entirely different expectation from how all other transit vehicles work. It will cause problems when you don't expect it.
 
IIRC when the new cars first entered service they were press button - but that lasted only a few weeks since customers got confused and angry when the door didn't open. I recall people yelling and being extremely upset since the door didn't open, they didn't know to press the button, and then missed the streetcar entirely.

Maybe have classes on how to use the TTC new streetcars, PRESTO, and the coming 2-hour transfer; write an exam; and IF they pass they can get a license to use the streetcars. Just like getting a license to drive a car.

lol. :D Kiddin'.
 
4471 is tracking now

4472 was out for testing early today and the earliest after arrival in some time.

4469 was back in the service bay after peak time and currently westbound on Queen St at Spadina as an in service car for 501
 
Maybe have classes on how to use the TTC new streetcars, PRESTO, and the coming 2-hour transfer; write an exam; and IF they pass they can get a license to use the streetcars. Just like getting a license to drive a car.

lol. :D Kiddin'.
Or maybe require going through a "tutorial" online before being allowed to order a new Presto card. People probably will just keep clicking "Next", but at least they'll have a glance at it. Probably harder to enforce at Gateways and Shoppers, but it's a start. :D
 
The TTC should have a "tutorial", accessed from their first page of their website, on how to use the fare machines (for PRESTO users AND for tourists), how to use the buttons and cords on the buses, streetcars, and subway, and how to report problems. Currently, have to hunt, surf, or search for "how to" information.
 
There are 2 main modes on the Flexity for the doors, "all doors" and "enable". All doors opens all of the doors when pressed, and closes all of them when pressed again, it's intended for very high-traffic stops and end-of-line stations. Enable makes it so that individual doors open when the button on them is pressed, and they close automatically after a few seconds if nobody is walking through, or when the operator presses enable again; this mode is intended to be used at the majority of stops, mainly to keep the cold/hot air in the vehicle rather than letting in outside air of an undesirable temperature.

Both modes trigger a single chime, and a high-pitched tone for some reason, when they open. All doors results in the traditional 3 chimes when they close, whereas Enable triggers the single chime. As such, some operators who prefer all doors have discovered a trick--they open all doors, then when it's time to close them instead of pressing all doors 1 time they press enable 2 times, which switches the doors to enable mode and closes them with the shorter single chime.

Unfortunately, in my experience, the majority of operators open all doors the majority of the time, which really sucks in the summer/winter. It's gotten a bit better recently, but nowhere near what it should be.

As for the sensors, you can clearly see multiple infrared sensors just inside of each doorway, which form a sort of "tripwire", if someone is detected within it they won't close in the automatic enable mode, they will only close if the operator closes them. I've found when the operator closes the doors from the cab, passengers are expected to stand clear, and the doors only stop closing if someone physically blocks them.

You've got it a little mixed up. First of all, in order to open the doors in the first place, the enable button must be pressed (unless the front door or rear door is being opened exclusiveley). Enable 'enables' the push buttons on the doors so that if they're pressed, the door will open. To open the doors, it is procedure to press enable first then All Doors which opens them all. Once the doors are clear, we press All Doors a second time which tells them all to close when they are clear. When All Doors has been pressed for the second time and when each door has confirmed that the way is clear, the single chime will play and the door will close. Once all of the doors are closed, we must press enable for a second time to cancel it. You hear the 3 note chime when instead of pressing All Doors to close the doors, the operator cancels the Enable button before the doors are closed. The problem with this method is that when you turn the enable off before the doors are closed, it disables the sensors on the doors. If someone were to run into the door, or press the button on the door, it would not reopen, it would just close on them. The 3 note chime also plays automatically when the ramp is being retracted and when the front or rear door is being closed independently of the other doors.
 
When the streetcar fleet is all LF this paradigm should be changed to enable only. If people can figure out to press on a bar on a bus rear door, or to stand on a step to open a high floor streetcar rear door, they can learn to push a damn button. If not - a whole bunch of worker hours was spent wiring them for no benefit, and a great deal of energy used by the streetcar fleet for heating or cooling wasted.
 

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