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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

As with e-vehicles, people say that the concept will take off after 'the big battery break through'. Still waiting.

Maybe next year. Or the year after. Or the year after.

See link.

Future batteries, coming soon: Charge in seconds, last months and power over the air

  • Gold nanowire batteries
  • Solid state lithium-ion
  • Grabat graphene batteries
  • Laser-made microsupercapacitors
  • Foam batteries
  • Foldable battery is paper-like but tough
  • uBeam over the air charging
  • StoreDot charges mobiles in 30 seconds
  • Transparent solar charger
  • Aluminium-air battery gives 1,100 mile drive on a charge
  • Urine powered batteries
  • Sound powered
  • Twenty times faster charge, Ryden dual carbon battery
  • Sand battery gives three times more battery life
  • Sodium-ion batteries
  • Upp hydrogen fuel cell charger
  • Liquid Flow batteries
  • Zap&Go Carbon-ion battery
  • Zinc-air batteries
  • Samsung's graphene battery
 
Will we see 4495 enter service tomorrow, as it has been moved to the yard after a week in the service bay and its last test run??

If TTC work on the main intersections for Queen and King from the Barns to Bathurst, then the cars could use the pans 100% for 509, 510, 511 and 512 going in/out of service.

Most of King OS west of Spadina still has to be rebuilt. This 2020 completion date is almost 3 years behind schedule.
 
Maybe next year. Or the year after. Or the year after.

See link.

Future batteries, coming soon: Charge in seconds, last months and power over the air

  • Gold nanowire batteries
  • Solid state lithium-ion
  • Grabat graphene batteries
  • Laser-made microsupercapacitors
  • Foam batteries
  • Foldable battery is paper-like but tough
  • uBeam over the air charging
  • StoreDot charges mobiles in 30 seconds
  • Transparent solar charger
  • Aluminium-air battery gives 1,100 mile drive on a charge
  • Urine powered batteries
  • Sound powered
  • Twenty times faster charge, Ryden dual carbon battery
  • Sand battery gives three times more battery life
  • Sodium-ion batteries
  • Upp hydrogen fuel cell charger
  • Liquid Flow batteries
  • Zap&Go Carbon-ion battery
  • Zinc-air batteries
  • Samsung's graphene battery
Keep in mind that the weight of the batteries exceeds the axial loads of buses and needs to have exemptions until batteries become lighter. They have come a long way in the last 10 years, but still a fair number of years off before being cheap.

The big cost is the replacement of them after X years just like the Hybrids. It also depends on which one is being used.

They maybe great for the air quality, but what happens at recycle time to make them worth it??

The replacement of the new fleet will be battery and it will being an end to the OS as well giving the streets a clean look.
 
When it’s possible for streetcars to carry their own batteries hopefully they can get rid of pantographs altogether.
There's some in other jurisdictions that do. Mostly for 'bridging the gap' at intersections where catenary is interrupted, but some completely running on battery power:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/sis/railwaysystem/en/products/lrt/index.htm
https://www.masstransitmag.com/arti...re-is-here-catenary-less-power-for-light-rail

Battery power is still problematic for general use. There are also inductive charge systems to eliminate catenary, but again, these are exceptions to a perfectly simple and reliable/efficient way to deliver power to fixed rail vehicles.

And then there's Hydrail...Hyperail at this point in time, which is mostly an excuse for inaction in electrifying systems.
 
4495 has enter service on 509 after 18 days.

4496 in service bay
 
4400 is sitting on a flat ready to be ship to QC for welding issues. Two down and 65 to go, since 4402 is being worked on now.

There's some in other jurisdictions that do. Mostly for 'bridging the gap' at intersections where catenary is interrupted, but some completely running on battery power:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/sis/railwaysystem/en/products/lrt/index.htm
https://www.masstransitmag.com/arti...re-is-here-catenary-less-power-for-light-rail

Battery power is still problematic for general use. There are also inductive charge systems to eliminate catenary, but again, these are exceptions to a perfectly simple and reliable/efficient way to deliver power to fixed rail vehicles.

And then there's Hydrail...Hyperail at this point in time, which is mostly an excuse for inaction in electrifying systems.

If thats the case, why are a few systems converting all their trams to battery 100% with no charging stations??

There are a number of systems that run on both battery and OS, where the OS is not allow to go.
 
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4400 is sitting on a flat ready to be ship to QC for welding issues. Two down and 65 to go, since 4402 is being worked on now.



If thats the case, why are a few systems converting all their trams to battery 100% with no charging stations??

There are a number of systems that run on both battery and OS, where the OS is not allow to go.

If 4400 has the welding issue, would that have any bearing on the validity of the cold weather testing conducted in Ottawa?
 
If thats the case, why are a few systems converting all their trams to battery 100% with no charging stations??
Name them, and I'll detail their operations. It is being done on some systems, one I'm familiar with is in Paris to eliminate cat in *specific areas of beauty* so the batteries bridge the gap. Trolley buses were doing this back in the Twenties! This is nothing new.

[...]
So the major manufacturers have come up with various ways of removing the wires (issue 98, December 2012). Induction loops buried in the road is the most discrete – there is nothing to see at all, but a flush-mounted third rail and overhead charging stations at tram stops with no wires in between have all been tried and adopted for a few installations.

Now, another milestone in the development of these wire-less systems has taken place. On 1 October 2015, Bombardier successfully completed a 41.6 km catenary-free test run with a tram powered entirely by its Primove battery in combination with a Mitrac propulsion system. The test run was conducted in the German city of Mannheim on the network of Rhein-Neckar-Verkehr GmbH (RNV), the transport operator for the region.

The innovative Primove battery system builds upon Bombardier’s many years of experience with energy storage systems. The system combines high power capacity and exceptional battery life with good reliability and has been designed to maximise performance using the latest developments in nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) Li-Ion cells.

An advanced thermal conditioning unit maintains the battery’s ideal temperature and enables rapid charging and full braking energy recovery while extending life up to ten years.
[...]
Buses too

Primove doesn’t just power trams. Since June 2015, city centre bus line 63 in Mannheim, Germany, has been operated by two fully electric buses, charged and powered by Primove technology. This has proved the system’s suitability for regular revenue service, even on demanding bus routes, giving passengers a quiet and emission-free ride.

Mannheim’s new e-bus line is the result of cooperation between regional transport operator RNV, Bombardier Transportation, the City of Mannheim, the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology and Swiss bus manufacturer Hess AG. The 12-metre vehicles are the first of their kind to be equipped with the complete Primove package, which includes wireless charging technology, long-life battery system and a fully integrated propulsion system.

Electrifying the bus route presented the team with several challenges. Not only does the nine-kilometre line run through the heart of the city, but buses typically only rest at each stop for a very limited time. To meet this challenge, a series of four fast, high-power charging stations were installed at strategic locations along the line, one at each end stop and one at the bus depot.

With this arrangement, the system only needs to charge for about thirty seconds at each of the four charging stops and then for approximately five minutes at the end stops. This is enough to provide a single e-bus with sufficient energy to serve the entire route and eliminates the need for any additional charging or time-consuming battery exchanges. Mannheim’s two e-buses will save around 180 tonnes of CO2 per year, equal to the emissions of 74 private cars.
[...]
https://www.railengineer.uk/2015/11/24/battery-powered-tram-record/

Like Hydrail, the tech just 'isn't there yet' to be anything more than a novelty and experiment. Batteries/super caps still remain a big problem, and as someone who constantly works with electronics and electricity, such high energy density and the proclivity for explosive instability leaves me more than just a little uneasy.

Toronto has proved to be a harsh environment for even electrical control of streetcar doors, let alone a 600-750V storage system with Joules of energy eager to express themselves.
 
Name them, and I'll detail their operations. It is being done on some systems, one I'm familiar with is in Paris to eliminate cat in *specific areas of beauty* so the batteries bridge the gap. Trolley buses were doing this back in the Twenties! This is nothing new.


https://www.railengineer.uk/2015/11/24/battery-powered-tram-record/

Like Hydrail, the tech just 'isn't there yet' to be anything more than a novelty and experiment. Batteries/super caps still remain a big problem, and as someone who constantly works with electronics and electricity, such high energy density and the proclivity for explosive instability leaves me more than just a little uneasy.

Toronto has proved to be a harsh environment for even electrical control of streetcar doors, let alone a 600-750V storage system with Joules of energy eager to express themselves.
Birmingham UK is the first that comes to mind and trying to remember the others at this time that going all battery.

Nice has off line and been on it. It takes 10 seconds or less to do the conversion both way.

Detroit is mostly off line, but requires charging stations along the route to the point it can take up to 5 minutes to charge along the route. Been on cars doing charging in route ans pain in the ass.
 
Birmingham UK is the first that comes to mind and trying to remember the others at this time that going all battery.
This will be the West Midland line:
[...]
Midland Metro want to use the technology so overhead cables are not needed on the Wolverhampton extension, to the city's railway station.
[...]
The lithium batteries inside the tram are charged up by the overhead lines before being able to solely supply power its movement.

They were fitted in a factory in Zaragoza in Spain.

They will eventually be used on the Metro's entire fleet of trams, at a cost of £15.5m.


However, the technology will save £9.24m in not putting up overhead lines.

Other sections of the Metro not to get the overhead lines include the Birmingham Centenary Square extension, including through Victoria Square.

The Wednesbury to Brierley Hill extension is also being evaluated to identify overhead cable-free sections.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news...owered-midland-metro-tram---how-does-it-work/

The jury is out on this. Trolley buses were doing this in Hamilton generations ago with lead-acid batteries. It was a common method of extending routes beyond the overhead wires in a number of cities.
 
If 4400 has the welding issue, would that have any bearing on the validity of the cold weather testing conducted in Ottawa?

None whatsoever.

The cold-weather testing was to ensure that the various sub-systems on each car were capable of operating at sustained low temperatures without failing, or where they did fail, what was the failure mode and how can it be rectified. The unit was not capable of moving during the testing as the test cell is not designed to allow for it.

The frame-welding issue is one of a lack of required penetration of the welds. The frames are safe to run (and run for quite a few years), but the lack of complete penetration will mean that there is a good chance that they will suffer from cracking over time.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
4497 is out for testing and currently at Hillcrest

4496 sitting in the service yard waiting for space in the service bay the last 24 hrs.
 

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