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SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Wowza someone is tracking Flexity deliveries, and graphing the progress in various ways. We may have found someone more obsessed with these deliveries than Urban Toronto thread users.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
And the old streetcars will probably be on the roads until 2022, to make up for those 3 streetcars missing at any given time for their 19 week refits.
drum118
Superstar
Well!!! That was fast. 4494 westbound on Queen St at Shaw St in testing stage. Fastest in a long long time.
4489 is in its standard location outside of Toronto and been in a few different spots as well.
4493 still in the service bay, but was out for testing yesterday
4489 is in its standard location outside of Toronto and been in a few different spots as well.
4493 still in the service bay, but was out for testing yesterday
nfitz
Superstar
That's a pretty minor issue compared to the streetcar shortage. And it's more than 3 at once.
They only ordered 204 cars, based on 2005 projections on requirements. Streetcar ridership has increased about 40% or so since then.
Look at the latest TTC streetcar estimated streetcar fleet requirements. At the end of 2020 they require 206 cars in service during rush hour - not including spares. They are using a spare rate of between 17% and 19% in their calcuations. That's at least 240 new streetcars.
As they have yet to order more than 204 new streetcars, they'll be pressing old streetcars into service in significant numbers for years - presumably until they fall apart.
The report (and June 2018 presentation) also shows by 2023, they'll need more than 264 new streetcars in service (about 268, growing to 289 by 2026). However, even the most optimistic plan there, doesn't see car 265 arrive until April 2024 with a more pessimistic car 205 arriving in April 2024 or later.
Given how these things tend to slip, it's not hard to imagine them needing 204 Flexities and 100 CLRVs running in 2026 ... which in reality means a lot of buses ...
kevhu
New Member
Andy T
Active Member
Something must have happened with the OCS. All the flexities on Spadina are using poles right now instead of pantograph.
drum118
Superstar
Looks like 4493 could enter into service on Friday, as its in the yard on track track 4 near the front west end. If it enter service Friday, 20 days after arrival, compare to 19 days for 4492 & 91
4494 about to leave the yard for more testing. It maybe in service before 4489 on or about Sept 4.
4489 GPS stills has the car elsewhere, than the service bay after 44 days. Still has to do more testing.
4494 about to leave the yard for more testing. It maybe in service before 4489 on or about Sept 4.
4489 GPS stills has the car elsewhere, than the service bay after 44 days. Still has to do more testing.
drum118
Superstar
4493 In service after 20 days on Route 504 Heading to Dundas West Station
4489 waiting for a service bay on the west end yard track
4494 was out last night and in the service bay
4489 waiting for a service bay on the west end yard track
4494 was out last night and in the service bay
Allandale25
Senior Member
I noticed that too the other day. I wonder what happened.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
It could be a technical issue, I don't know, the 509 has used pantos with no problem, but the 510 is having issues with it, did it happen on Queens Quay or on Spadina though?? Also, the 511 IS being converted to buses in the first week of September because of work at Bathurst Station. The streetcar loop will be shared between 511 shuttle buses and 7 Bathurst buses, so 7 buses will be backed up during this work...
Andy T
Active Member
Happened northbound at King. All cars I saw afterwards were also on pole.
drum118
Superstar
Aug 24
Caught this east of Long Branch Loop today
Caught this east of Long Branch Loop today
AHK
Senior Member
This afternoon, we crossed Spadina on our way to and from St. Lawrence Market (approximately 4:15 PM and 5:45 PM), the cars were using their pantographs on Spadina. We can see Spadina at the intersection with Front Street and as it crosses the rail lines from our place. All evening the cars on Spadina, both north and southbound, have been using their pantographs. It is getting dark now, so that level of detail is no longer visible from our place, so no further updates on this issue tonight.
drum118
Superstar
4495 is tracking now, but out for testing on the Queensway after being here 4 days. That's is the fastest this year if I remember correctly.
4494 heading that way as well.
4494 heading that way as well.