TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

[Steve X]

The King/Shaw intersection overheads also needs to be redone. They'll have to redo all the intersection overheads along the 514 and it's diverting routes before they use pans. Supposedly only the first 60 cars are to get trolley poles so they better get working. This means the entire 504 and Queen also needs to finish their overheads too for diversions and also gap trips for the 504.

The report also mention they pretty much have to order the additional 60 cars from BBD since they are still delivering. They'll negotiate with a stricter deadline.

 

[Johnny Au]

Ho, ho, ho!

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2016/12/15/theo-moudakis-bombardier-claus.html

That is very much when the fourth Xbox generation is released (note that the first generation is Xbox (original), second generation is 360, and third generation is One).

That's Microsoft math for you. Don't forget that after Windows 8 is Windows 10. That's part of Microsoft math.

Back on topic:

Bombardier is using Microsoft math in determining delivery dates. Microsoft math is very different from the mathematics we use.

 

[pstogios]

Speaking of piss-poor line management on 510...

 

[maxt797]

Speaking of piss-poor line management on 510...

Its too cold, flocking south.

 

[Red October]

It's almost impressive that a streetcar route on a ROW can get that bunched.

It also doesn't help that even when people can see a packed streetcar with an empty one behind it, they'll try and pile on the packed one in front for no discernible reason, delaying said front streetcar from leaving the stop.

 

[DSC]

The King/Shaw intersection overheads also needs to be redone. They'll have to redo all the intersection overheads along the 514 and it's diverting routes before they use pans. Supposedly only the first 60 cars are to get trolley poles so they better get working. This means the entire 504 and Queen also needs to finish their overheads too for diversions and also gap trips for the 504. .

They are currently stringing new overhead on Wellington but, as noted above, many sections of King are still not done. Now that they already have put up most of the new/replacement poles, it seems to be fairly fast to install overhead over the tangent track sections but the intersections are obviously more complicated. Several blocks of King do not yet have new tangent track overhead (e,g. Yonge to Parliament) and, in addition to the King-Parliament and King-Shaw intersections noted above, the King- Church and King-York ones also need to be done and there are many sections of the Church/Richmond/Victoria/Adelaide loop (used quite often) are also not all done and last time I looked they have not yet reinstalled any overhead on Richmond between Victoria and York (the new track and road work are done). I assume that somewhere there is a complete list of what overhead is or is not done yet but I doubt it's public.

 

[Voltz]

It also doesn't help that even when people can see a packed streetcar with an empty one behind it, they'll try and pile on the packed one in front for no discernible reason, delaying said front streetcar from leaving the stop.

It could be that they've learned that the second streetcar is likely to get short turned.

 

[DSC]

It's almost impressive that a streetcar route on a ROW can get that bunched.

It also doesn't help that even when people can see a packed streetcar with an empty one behind it, they'll try and pile on the packed one in front for no discernible reason, delaying said front streetcar from leaving the stop.

Though the TTC can doubtless screw route management up without help it is possible there was an accident or something that caused this situation.

 

[TOareaFan]

It's almost impressive that a streetcar route on a ROW can get that bunched.

It also doesn't help that even when people can see a packed streetcar with an empty one behind it, they'll try and pile on the packed one in front for no discernible reason, delaying said front streetcar from leaving the stop.

In the squall/storm yesterday I was waiting for the #7 NB bus in Brampton at Queen....obviously further south there had been something causing extreme bunching as 3 buses approached in a row....BT handles this by having the lead bus turn on "out of service" and only stops when requested by passengers already on the bus and refusing boarding for people at those stops....if no one on the bus requests a stop it blows by stops. Even though we could clearly see the two trailing buses, one waiting passenger went into a raging/yelling tirade at the driver.....but it works....by the time we got to my stop, the two trailing buses were still a bit bunched....but the lead bus was nowhere to be seen.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

It's almost impressive that a streetcar route on a ROW can get that bunched.

Our subways bunch all the time. When subway trains crawl through tunnels or sit at stations for a long time, they're not doing it because the driver likes making everyone late. I don't know why it would be "impressive" that surface mass transit bunches too.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Our subways bunch all the time. When subway trains crawl through tunnels or sit at stations for a long time, they're not doing it because the driver likes making everyone late. I don't know why it would be "impressive" that surface mass transit bunches too.

But in theory it's easier to move surface traits around like for example having some of the 510 cars short turn at king or at Queens Quay. By the way does anyone know if they are moving back to having them turn at king or are they still only turning back at Queens Quay?

 

[Megaton327]

But in theory it's easier to move surface traits around like for example having some of the 510 cars short turn at king or at Queens Quay. By the way does anyone know if they are moving back to having them turn at king or are they still only turning back at Queens Quay?

They have been turning back at King for a long time. Looking at the currently posted schedule, not a lot of the service is scheduled to turn at King, but I see 510 King cars frequently at most times of day.

 

[TOareaFan]

But in theory it's easier to move surface traits around like for example having some of the 510 cars short turn at king or at Queens Quay. By the way does anyone know if they are moving back to having them turn at king or are they still only turning back at Queens Quay?

saw one short turn yesterday around 10 a.m......southbound left hand turn to Adelaide....right hand turn on Charlotte and rights onto King and Spadina.....between the length of the vehicles and the (appropriate) need for care with cycle path and pedestrians...this turn takes a while now and turns Adelaide into a one lane road for a while.

 

[books]

I was at Spadina station today and saw 4428 in service.

 

[drum118]

With 4429 being tow to the Barns tonight and 4430 waiting for CP to pick it up, looks like 4430 should be here Dec 23. 4429 could be in service around Dec 27; 4430 January 4th 2017 and this depends on what TTC is doing for testing over the holidays and what may show up in testing.

As for bunching on Spadina, even line management going to have a hard time keeping things to schedule. You have the mess at King St to get cars to turn go north. Then you have the traffic issue at the Lake Shore. Most of all, riders themselves by trying to cram onto a pack car when there is another behind it. When one car gets the cram load, the following cars start to catch up to form a convoy. This is were the long gaps start to show up for cars going south to the point its the same going north.

At certain intersection, traffic is blocking the cars at various time by being illegally in the intersection.

When supervisors have no real info as to what happening on line, they will short turn cars as schedule according to what they have for schedule in the first place. If they had real time info, some short turn could take place elsewhere to get the line back on line a lot better.