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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

EastYorkTTCFan said:
Not relly well they can fit on it the front door of the front one are past the galls covering the tunnel entrance so they have to wait for the car picking up to leave before the car behind can even let anyone off.
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Yes I've always seen them one at a time like this, probably means the LRV's can't operate through the station at the scheduled headway, throwing off the entire line.

And it probably would not take much to allow for two LRV's on the platform at once, either loading with the first door closed and beyond the end of the platform, or extending the platform a bit. Not that the TTC will bother doing anything.
 
Reecemartin said:
Speaking of new lines whats on the books currently for new streetcar routes?
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By TTC
Unknown if St Clair 512 will get extended to Scarlett Rd since the EA was to happen in 2010 and MIA.

Queens Quay E was to be built by 2014 and its on hold until the Waterfront Reset Study is done due to the $375m short fall to fix Union Loop.

The extension from the EX Loop to Dufferin St

Eglinton Ave E should be built by 2030 and possible Eglinton Ave W

Cherry St Extension may happen 2026-30 subject to building the mouth of the Don and funds.

Until the full review of the Waterfront Reset Study is complete, everything is on hold on the Waterfront.

Extension to Broadview Ave

By Metrolinx
Finch West Start 2017/18

Sheppard Ave E (Could be dead in favour of subway now considering it was supposed to be up and running 2014)

Jane St

Don Mills (Could be come DRL)
 
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Reecemartin said:
Why don't they put Streetcars on Bay? It could pull some traffic of the subway, there's room for a row as well. And it would be more central than the other NS routes.
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Streetcars can only handle a small percentage of the demand of a subway line. Even for a separated ROW with a large number of LFLRVs--and there is not room for a ROW on Bay St. It would also likely be minimally used given that the two adjacent subway lines would have far greater capacity and provide much faster travel time. The 6 Bay bus, while over capacity at many times, is nowhere near the level of demand of even a regular streetcar route, yet alone a dedicated ROW--it's nowhere even remotely close to the maximum bus capacity given that it's scheduled for non-articulated buses which come infrequently.
 
Going back years, the reinstatement of streetcars on Bay St was suggested, but where do you put the loop?? One reason for have duel end cars with stub track. Also, it would deal with the Union Loop issue. You could put QQE on the surface and leave as is for QQW or you bring both up to the service. My recommendation back in 2008 was both on the surface, with Bay close to traffic.

Steve Munro has stated having streetcars on Bay would help to deal with the overloading of the current line 1. He has also stated with the night ridership on Yonge St, its nearing the point you need to start looking at putting LRT on it and would help to deal with line closure at better than buses. It would also allow TTC to shut the line down nightly earlier to get more work done over night. Again using duel end car would allow to put more service on the close line 1 section.

To do this, TTC needs to find land for a Yonge carhouse and about 50 plus more cars. 512 cars could then use this new carhouse than doing the current deadhead.

What does take place for new lines, having ROW will only work in certainty area, with rest being mix traffic
 
Reecemartin said:
I remember lots of discussion about the King St transit project which was supposed to be fast, what ever happened? What was decided?
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Keesmaat still talks about it frequently, but it won't happen quickly and you can bet it'll be a monumental struggle. Real progress can't happen in this city until there's a wholesale replacement of the retrograde swine on Council that opposes every single proposal of any sort that isn't distinctly at least ostensibly focused on maintaining the primacy of the single occupant vehicle.

I'll be shocked if this current crop approves anything close to a dedicated pedestrian, cycle, and transit corridor for any meaningful stretch of King.
 
Council approved road tolls this week with a surprisingly large margin, so I wouldn't rule it out, especially if Tory backs it.
 
drum118 said:
Going back years, the reinstatement of streetcars on Bay St was suggested, but where do you put the loop?? One reason for have duel end cars with stub track. Also, it would deal with the Union Loop issue. You could put QQE on the surface and leave as is for QQW or you bring both up to the service. My recommendation back in 2008 was both on the surface, with Bay close to traffic.

Steve Munro has stated having streetcars on Bay would help to deal with the overloading of the current line 1. He has also stated with the night ridership on Yonge St, its nearing the point you need to start looking at putting LRT on it and would help to deal with line closure at better than buses. It would also allow TTC to shut the line down nightly earlier to get more work done over night. Again using duel end car would allow to put more service on the close line 1 section.

To do this, TTC needs to find land for a Yonge carhouse and about 50 plus more cars. 512 cars could then use this new carhouse than doing the current deadhead.

What does take place for new lines, having ROW will only work in certainty area, with rest being mix traffic
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Best case scenario is an underground LRT under Bay street once the Union Loop is expanded and Queen's Quay East gets build to allow Leslie Barns to reach the line...with stations like Queen's Quay.

Construction method: Cut and Cover (it's Bay Street), cars have north-south alternatives and it reduces the costs

Stations : This is a unique opportunity to get the big banks/corporations on Bay Street to pitch in some much needed cash for the stations and operation costs in exchange for naming rights along the corridor.
  • Union Station
  • Wellington - (Royal Bank Plaza? Brookfield Place? Toronto Dominion? Royal Bank) -->Sell naming rights to highest bidders
  • King - (First Canadian Place? CIBC? TD Canada Trust? Scoatiabank? BMO?) -->Sell naming rights to highest bidders
  • Adelaide - (Bay Adelaide Centre? KPMG? Future owner of Trump tower?)
  • Queen - City Hall (Hudson Bay?)
  • Dundas - Toronto Coach Terminal (Atrium at Bay? Ryerson?)
  • Gerrard
  • College
  • Wellesley
  • St Mary's
  • Bay & Bloor - Line 2 (Manulife Centre?)
  • Yorkville
  • Davenport
Hard to argue that the downtown core couldn't use another North-South line to relieve the Line 1 subway on both sides, especially when it has problems or need to be shutdown.
 
The 501 car will be bustituted west of Roncy, beginning March 2017 for the rest of the year. That's at least a dozen cars or more of slack in the dispatch requirement.

- Paul
 
We haven't even funded a line that will serve areas that currently have no service (RL), let alone doubling up service on areas that already have it.
 
Cobra said:
Best case scenario is an underground LRT under Bay street once the Union Loop is expanded and Queen's Quay East gets build to allow Leslie Barns to reach the line...with stations like Queen's Quay.

Construction method: Cut and Cover (it's Bay Street), cars have north-south alternatives and it reduces the costs
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Cutting and covering is gonna be interesting on Bay Street once you start having to duck under PATH connections etc., plus you give up connectivity to the surface network. Having an underground interchange at Bloor would probably be challenging too - would need to see where the footprints of the Bay and Lower Bay station boxes are, plus significant construction disruption.

I would maybe look at first expanding the existing surface trackage south from Dundas to Wellington (which would be the southern loop, with the northern loop initially being McCaul). Maybe take the line underground north of College. Question is then do you have to surface to get past Line 2. Final northern terminal would be... oy... Jesse Ketchum Park? That wouldn't be popular I bet.
 
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