TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I'd actually expect the energy savings to be quite substantial.
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I'd actually expect the energy savings to be quite substantial.
Forgotten
Active Member
If it was indeed shipped from TB the day before, that would make it 45 days since the last shipment. That matches the 45 day cooldown period preceeding the previous shipment. This would seem to disprove the misguided notion (being pushed by those with agendas) that BBD is increasingly falling behind schedule.
nfitz
Superstar
Falling behind which schedule? It's certainly well beyond the original schedule that had a delivery every 10 days by now. And it's past the schedule from earlier this year that had it every 15 days by now. Now, it does meet the schedule from June, which had one delivered in June, 1 delivered in July, 2 in August and 4 in September.
But it doesn't give any indication they've managed to ramp up to more than 8 cars a year, rather than the originally promised 39 cars a year, or the currently promised 50 cars a year.
I suspect that if they are only churning out a car every 15 days in December, they'll still be meeting the latest schedule that says they'll only deliver 2 cars in December.
Hopefully though, they'll manage to figure it out soon.
But it doesn't give any indication they've managed to ramp up to more than 8 cars a year, rather than the originally promised 39 cars a year, or the currently promised 50 cars a year.
I suspect that if they are only churning out a car every 15 days in December, they'll still be meeting the latest schedule that says they'll only deliver 2 cars in December.
Hopefully though, they'll manage to figure it out soon.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Meanwhile, the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) has exercised its option for an additional 40 streetcars/light rail vehicles from Siemens. They already have a signed order for 175, signed in September 2014. They haven't any vehicles,... yet. Only a life-size model. See link.
The TTC hasn't exercised its option from Bombardier for an additional 60 streetcars, on top of its current order of 204.
The TTC hasn't exercised its option from Bombardier for an additional 60 streetcars, on top of its current order of 204.
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EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I thought they were going to wait until about half the order arrives before they add those. Most likely they will negotiate a reduced cost for those because of the delays to the first batch of them.
nfitz
Superstar
They were going to do it this year, but council didn't provide the funding, pointing out that the option is good until the ... I think it's the 60th car is delivered, which won't happy during 2015.
There might be small credits - but that's true whether or not they order more. They'll simply use the option price. If they delay until after the 60th, the cost will go up significantly I'd think.
crs1026
Superstar
If it matters, TTC 4409 is indeed sitting in the CP yard at Lambton, so delivery is imminent.
- Paul
- Paul
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
So that's a month and a half gap since the delivery of 4408.
Napoleon
Active Member
Interesting, I didn't even know they were ordering new vehicles. Their current fleet is not that old...much more modern than Toronto's streetcars. They do have an awfully odd hybrid subway-streetcar system. There are essentially almost no subway-only vehicles. Instead, the vehicles operate as streetcars above-ground and then travel in the subway once sufficiently "downtown". Also interesting is that the vehicles are operator-driven aboveground, but computer driven below-ground. With this model though, the headways are incredibly frustratingly irregular.
nfitz
Superstar
Yes ... a couple of days faster than the gap between 4407 and 4406. No indication of them ramping up unfortunately.
crs1026
Superstar
4409 was likely already on the floor at the time the supply chain issue was still ongoing, so it would be slow like its predecessors.
We will have to see if the next few assemble any faster.
- Paul
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The San Francisco order is for double-ended streetcars. Their current fleet is a mix of double-ended and single-ended. Looks like they are slowly converting over to all double-ended streetcars, and may get rid of their loops.
Toronto is staying with single-ended streetcars on its legacy network. It's going double-ended light rail vehicles for its suburban LRT network, since the Bombardier Freedom models are too wide for the downtown lines. However, they used to have double-ended streetcars along streets like Spadina and Weston, and along the Toronto Civic Railways lines.
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
SF Muni's LRV fleet is all double-ended.
The The E and F-line runs single-ended and double-ended PCC's and other heritage vehicles. The initially meant to be a tourist line while the cable car system was under repair, but was so popular with the locals, it became a legitimate transit line in 1995.
While Market Street Railway is a partner of Muni, it's officially not part of Muni, and doesn't receive any funding. They rely on private donations and memberships to keep the E and F line running.
smallspy
Senior Member
The only single-ended cars that San Francisco runs are the cars that run on the F heritage line - those cars are not up for replacement. All of their LRVs, past, present and future, are double-ended.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Better report this to Bombardier top brass.
Staff Review of Options to Exclude Bombardier from Future Bidding
From this report, at this link, for the next TTC meeting on July 29th.
Three possible options:
See the report for more information.
Staff Review of Options to Exclude Bombardier from Future Bidding
From this report, at this link, for the next TTC meeting on July 29th.
Three possible options:
See the report for more information.