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Stintz was selling the idea of a Sheppard subway hard on twitter today. Apparently extending the subway to STC will turn a "subway to nowhere" into a "subway to everywhere." I collected her tweets here: http://fordfortoronto.mattelliott.c...worked-transit-plan-includes-sheppard-subway/

Based on that, I'm expecting an announcement of a revised transit plan this week that includes a 'complete' Sheppard subway extension. Since the rest of the available funds won't cover both the B-D extension and the Eglinton LRT, I'm not sure where the compromise will be. A drastically shorter Eglinton line, I guess.
 
Maybe they will be building the Eglinton West subway from Eglinton West to Keele, and the Sheppard subway to STC. A sort of focus on finishing what was started and subways.
 
EnviroTO said:
Maybe they will be building the Eglinton West subway from Eglinton West to Keele, and the Sheppard subway to STC. A sort of focus on finishing what was started and subways.
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Even better - building part of Eglinton as a metro, not a tram. That way trolls in the future will not be able to say OMG lets make it a sexy tram.
This way Sheppard can be saved, Eglinton can be started - and future generations will not have to worry about it turning into a tram plan.

Best of both worlds.
 
LAz said:
Even better - building part of Eglinton as a metro, not a tram. That way trolls in the future will not be able to say OMG lets make it a sexy tram.
This way Sheppard can be saved, Eglinton can be started - and future generations will not have to worry about it turning into a tram plan.
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If you think that the support for the Eglinton line as LRT is based on "OMG lets make it a sexy tram" then you really need to pay more attention. Even most LRT supporters acknowledge that subways provide a superior service. The question is whether that superior service is worth the superior price tag.
 
It's imperative that people look beyond capital costs and consider what it will do the operating budget to run a low-ridership subway route across Sheppard. The TTC is already cannibalizing surface routes to balance its operating budget this year. We can expect more of that to come.
 
quick, somebody crunch these numbers:

TTCchair Karen Stintz
#Toronto benefits with a #TTC line under Eglinton going through Wards 3,4,11,12,15,16,17,21,22,25,26,34,35&37. #TOcouncil
9 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Okay, in what year could some of these wards expect transit "under Eglinton" ? Better update TEA's map...

So... Eg, Sheppard and STC is the Ford regime's plan for Toronto's transit future until when, 2025? And what about those pesky years 2011 to 2014?

'Let them ride buses.' In mixed traffic.

ed d
 
Karen Stintz Twitter

Ed Drass said:
TTCchair Karen Stintz
#Toronto benefits with a #TTC line under Eglinton going through Wards 3,4,11,12,15,16,17,21,22,25,26,34,35&37. #TOcouncil
9 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Okay, in what year could some of these wards expect transit "under Eglinton" ? Better update TEA's map...

So... Eg, Sheppard and STC is the Ford regime's plan for Toronto's transit future until when, 2025? And what about those pesky years 2011 to 2014?

'Let them ride buses.' In mixed traffic.

ed d
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I think looking at the Twitter postings, it looks like both Eglinton and Sheppard will be getting some kind of subway/underground LRT; not one or the other...

#Toronto benefits with a #TTC line under Eglinton going through Wards 3,4,11,12,15,16,17,21,22,25,26,34,35&37. #TOcouncil

With logical #SheppardSubway Scarborough can travel everywhere within #Toronto efficiently from Town Centre,reducing #Toronto traffic. #TTC
about 10 hours ago via web
 
"Scarborough can travel everywhere within #Toronto efficiently from Town Centre"

Too bad about travelling within Scarborough...

Well, there's one Rapid Transit route now between STC and the former Vic Park border.* By 2015 (17?) there would be another.

So... if the RT is rebuilt as subway, it would have how many stops in Scarborough?

The upcoming report should speak to this business about following the RT alignment and put the rhetoric in some wider, public perspective.

As we've gone over before here, either the TTC has to consider building heavy metro above ground (undermining the subway-or-nothing doctrine) or somehow build below the RT routing (!) -- or it proposes tunnelling in a reasonable alignment and Scarborough trades a handful of RT stops for one (new) subway stop. And forgoes even more LRT stops...

How long til 'Scarborough' demands the rest of its neighbourhoods be accessible by transit that doesn't get caught in traffic? Such as BRT in key corridors?

ed

*If we truly included GO in this equation, the debate might go quite differently...
 
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Ed Drass said:
And if the RT is rebuilt as subway, it would have how many stops in Scarborough?

The upcoming report should speak to this business about following the RT alignment and puts the rhetoric in some wider, public perspective.

As we've gone over before here, either the TTC has to consider building heavy metro above ground (undermining the subway-or-nothing doctrine) or somehow build below the RT routing (!) -- or it proposes tunnelling in a reasonable alignment and Scarborough trades a handful of RT stops for one subway stop. And forgoes even more LRT stops...
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I don't think a lot of Scarberians are going to miss the Ellesmere or McCowan stops...

Wasn't Ford talking about cutting lightly-used stations anyway?
 
GraphicMatt said:
It's imperative that people look beyond capital costs and consider what it will do the operating budget to run a low-ridership subway route across Sheppard. The TTC is already cannibalizing surface routes to balance its operating budget this year. We can expect more of that to come.
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I'd think that the capital cost is the main concern (Sheppard extension eating up Eglinton funding).

Regarding the operating budget, Sheppard subway extension might not be so bad. Surely it will cost more than the section of bus 85 it replaces. But some savings can be created by running some of peak-time Finch E and Ellesmere buses to Sheppard subway instead of all the way to Yonge. And, new ridership will bring some extra revenue.

TTC mused about closing the existing Sheppard subway a few years ago when they had a funding crunch, but then they did some number-crunching and their musing stopped. According to the rumor, they found that replacing the existing subway segment with buses won't generate any savings.
 
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