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Transit City Plan

Which transit plan do you prefer?

  • Transit City

    Votes: 95 79.2%
  • Ford City

    Votes: 25 20.8%

  • Total voters
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I still don't understand how or why Metrolinx would want to run the service. It makes absolutely no sense.
I'd tend to agree.

But given the prototype streetcar has arrived in Metrolinx green, rather than TTC red, you have to wonder.

And what if come 2018 when service would start running, someone like Mark Towhey, who has advocated that that the city get out of running transit has even more power than he does now. Say TTC didn't want to take on the cost of operating it.
 
I seem to remember reading that the ttc will run it but send the bills to metrolinx.. Or something like that. Maybe it was just that metrolinx would pay for matenience..

And also, all of the crosstown renders have red lrvs.
 
But given the prototype streetcar has arrived in Metrolinx green, rather than TTC red, you have to wonder.

Nitpick - that is simply the same Bombardier Flexity Freedom mock-up that has been floating around for a year now, but with a coat of paint, some stickers and new seat inserts.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
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Nitpick - that is simply the same Bombardier Flexity Freedom mock-up that has been floating around for a year now, but with a coat of paint, some stickers and new seat inserts.
Surely they have discussions before they brought the mock-up to Toronto on what colour it will appear in.

At this stage of the legacy LRVs, it appeared in Toronto in TTC red, with TTC fabrics.

Though perhaps Bombardier has it in Toronto for another purpose, and this isn't the mock-up for the Transit City lines.
 
All the contacts that were worked out were cancelled and must be tendered again. That is a 2 year process. Plus the LRT never would have been finished In 2014 anyways.
 
http://www.zuza.com/news-story/1309...ast-lrt-raises-hopes-of-possible-subway-line/

Ignoring the broken thesis that Ford's delay will allow for a second shot at a Sheppard subway, it appears the opening date has been pushed to 2021! Metrolinx's site confirms this date as well (http://www.metrolinx.com/en/projectsandprograms/transitexpansionprojects/crosstownproject.aspx).

How does an approximate 18 month suspension of work equate to an 7-8 year delay of opening?

They are just delaying it to spread out the funding, after city council voted to continue with the project the plan from metrolinx was to resume in 2014, the province then delayed it further to 2017.

Unless work on the SRT extension includes the eastern end of the SELRT from progress to the yard as has been mentioned then the project is as good as cancelled, the next city election will consist of more of Ford's bs about streetcars and Hudak will be right in line behind him to spew the same nonsense and take advantage of the gullible fools who believe it.
 
I never understood why Sheppard East (oops, correction made) was deemed TC line 1. Finch West would have been simpler to construct, would have replaced a massively busy bus line and the interchange with the Spadina line would have been in place before that line even opened whereas there will surely be some impacts to doing so later either within the station itself or to connecting services dodging trucks servicing the portal construction. Add to that in the benefit of hindsight Mammo being for that project before he was against it so toeing the Ford line and scrapping it would have been harder for him with shovels in the ground. Once Finch West was off and running I think the demand for both extension in both directions to Yonge and to Humber College and elsewhere in the city would have been significantly boosted as long as it was well run and there was no scrimping on service or on security - there is a significant reduction in perception on Dublin's LRT Line A because of a failure to curb antisocial activity.

By contrast the Sheppard line had more caveats - what was the interface with Don Mills going to be, for how long was it going to run isolated before the connection with the subway was done - but amazingly the one piece of it that Metrolinx wanted DID get done: the Agincourt grade separation. No 2021 completion date for that!
 
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All the contacts that were worked out were cancelled and must be tendered again. That is a 2 year process. Plus the LRT never would have been finished In 2014 anyways.
Just because contracts have been cancel, new ones can be issued in 6 months max after going to tender in Sept. There is no way any tender should take 2 years.

If you are going open shop, qualification for those companies must take place first and can be done in 3 months.

There a thing known as fast tacking.
 
I never understood why Sheppard East (oops, correction made) was deemed TC line 1.

By contrast the Sheppard line had more caveats - what was the interface with Don Mills going to be, for how long was it going to run isolated before the connection with the subway was done - but amazingly the one piece of it that Metrolinx wanted DID get done: the Agincourt grade separation. No 2021 completion date for that!

The city wanted to start Sheppard, Eglinton and Finch at about the same time and Finch would only have opened a year after Sheppard and Eglintion would have started opening in stages a year or two after Finch.

The subway obsession on Sheppard has been a drain on transit expansion in this city for almost a generation, if building the Sheppard LRT first puts an end to that then it will be more that worth building first even if there is a slightly better case for the other lines.

Those are not caveats, the LRT would connect with the subway platform level and there was never any plans to operate it isolated from the subway.
 
I never understood why Sheppard East (oops, correction made) was deemed TC line 1. Finch West would have been simpler to construct, would have replaced a massively busy bus line and the interchange with the Spadina line would have been in place before that line even opened whereas there will surely be some impacts to doing so later either within the station itself or to connecting services dodging trucks servicing the portal construction. Add to that in the benefit of hindsight Mammo being for that project before he was against it so toeing the Ford line and scrapping it would have been harder for him with shovels in the ground. Once Finch West was off and running I think the demand for both extension in both directions to Yonge and to Humber College and elsewhere in the city would have been significantly boosted as long as it was well run and there was no scrimping on service or on security - there is a significant reduction in perception on Dublin's LRT Line A because of a failure to curb antisocial activity.

By contrast the Sheppard line had more caveats - what was the interface with Don Mills going to be, for how long was it going to run isolated before the connection with the subway was done - but amazingly the one piece of it that Metrolinx wanted DID get done: the Agincourt grade separation. No 2021 completion date for that!

Hell, having the entire route run along Finch would make the most sense. Besides crosstown travel not requiring 3 transfers, Finch East is one of the busiest routes in the city.

As for what to do with Sheppard, I say bend it north along the 404 up to Highway 7.
 
Just because contracts have been cancel, new ones can be issued in 6 months max after going to tender in Sept. There is no way any tender should take 2 years.

If you are going open shop, qualification for those companies must take place first and can be done in 3 months.

There a thing known as fast tacking.

maybe not 2 years, but a year. its been 6 months since the lines have been reintroduced, and they are going to tender now. then it is a 6 month process, meaning that it will have been an entire year since the project was reintroduced until they even know who is going to be building it, yet alone actually starting construction.
 
In the meantime, can I please have a Sheppard East express bus?

You want to know the sad thing? If the TTC introduced a limited stop bus with the same stop spacing as the LRT at 400m, in many international systems that would be the most frequent their local lines would stop.

Want to know something even sadder? One of the reasons why the TTC chose LRT over a BRT was because rthey didn't want to run duplicate service along the corridor!

www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/sheppard_east_lrt/faq.htm#q06
 
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You want to know the sad thing? If the TTC introduced a limited stop bus with the same stop spacing as the LRT at 400m, in many international systems that would be the most frequent their local lines would stop.

Want to know something even sadder? One of the reasons why the TTC chose LRT over a BRT was because rthey didn't want to run duplicate service along the corridor!


www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/sheppard_east_lrt/faq.htm#q06

It clearly states that BRT would not have the capacity to handle the projected demand, they would need bypass lanes at stops for express buses and there is not enough room for them.
 

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