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Oooooh, 49 people joined a Facebook page. I'm quivering in my boots.
YYZ is currently the 20th busiest airport by aircraft movements in the world. In 2008, it handled 32.3 million passengers and 429,262 aircraft movements. This breaks down to 2.4 million average passengers per month or 80,000 per day.
Subway to STC: At least 1.2 Billion, and around a decade to plan, design, and build. SRT Conversion to LRT: Around $350 Million, 3-4 years, and will double capacity, and be part of a network for Scarborough. Sorry dude, keep on dreaming. A subway to STC is not happening, and shouldn't happen for the near future.
For the price of a subway to STC, you are able to extend the LRT to Malvern, with integration with the Sheppard LRT. There is little chance you would be able to convince Malvern residents that a subway to STC, a fair distance away serves their needs better than stations in their neighbourhood that will provide direct access to STC anyways.
I did not design the alignment, the TTC did, and I agree the alignment is poor. Does not justify a subway. If the TTC actually sat down, and designed an alignment to utilize the benefits of LRT, your concerns would be addressed. You pointed out the limitations of ICTS, and to a small extent subway technology. They are not as accessible as LRT.
You may be from Malvern, but you do not speak for all of Malvern:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116352265057733
Just a small example, there were guests from Scarborough at the Public Transit Coalition meeting.
Some people see the benefit of the S(L)RT to Malvern. I have not heard an argument for a subway to STC in quite a while now. For all your rants, and dubious assumptions about a subway to STC, there seems to be a growing movement for LRT to Malvern instead. Interesting, eh?
So in short: Subway to STC, not going to happen. SRT conversion to LRT, will most likely will happen, still provides benefits to riders going to STC, and traveling past STC.
That's somewhat rude.You need a reality check.
Here's the reality check. Comparing the cost of a simple 6 km subway to Scarborough Centre Station (SCS) to the cost of conversion (6.5 km) and extending (5.5 km) the SRT to Malvern is comparing apples and oranges.
Yes, we could spend about the same amount of money to build a 6-km subway, as it costs to build a 5.5 km grade-separated extension and do a conversion. That's pretty simple and clear. But that is comparing apples to oranges.
That's somewhat rude.
Here's the reality check. Comparing the cost of a simple 6 km subway to Scarborough Centre Station (SCS) to the cost of conversion (6.5 km) and extending (5.5 km) the SRT to Malvern is comparing apples and oranges.
Yes, we could spend about the same amount of money to build a 6-km subway, as it costs to build a 5.5 km grade-separated extension and do a conversion. That's pretty simple and clear. But that is comparing apples to oranges.
I really do not want to spend time replying to a drawn out rant with dubious assumptions about ridership, and capacity. Yo';re going to have to wait when I have time to write a longer relpy.
For the price of a subway to STC, you are able to extend the LRT to Malvern, with integration with the Sheppard LRT. There is little chance you would be able to convince Malvern residents that a subway to STC, a fair distance away serves their needs better than stations in their neighbourhood that will provide direct access to STC anyways.
I did not design the alignment, the TTC did, and I agree the alignment is poor. Does not justify a subway. If the TTC actually sat down, and designed an alignment to utilize the benefits of LRT, your concerns would be addressed. You pointed out the limitations of ICTS, and to a small extent subway technology. They are not as accessible as LRT.
You may be from Malvern, but you do not speak for all of Malvern:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116352265057733
Just a small example, there were guests from Scarborough at the Public Transit Coalition meeting.
Some people see the benefit of the S(L)RT to Malvern. I have not heard an argument for a subway to STC in quite a while now.
For all your rants, and dubious assumptions about a subway to STC, there seems to be a growing movement for LRT to Malvern instead. Interesting, eh?
Scarberian is frequently wrong, as frequently demonstrated here.
Of course it's comparing apples and oranges. You propose spending more money than is available for the entire project - most of which is earmarked for the extension - for the simple upgrade.
That's just plain rude and insulting. Why do you make such extreme personal attacks on other people here? Such personal attacks merely serve to demonstrate just how bad your plan is.
That's just wrong - and extremely rude.. I've demonstrated time and time again why your wrong. And even when it's been demonstrated to you just how clearly wrong you are, you simply ignore the facts.
Of course it's comparing apples and oranges. You propose spending more money than is available for the entire project - most of which is earmarked for the extension - for the simple upgrade.
Only if you low-ball the subway costs. The extension and conversion is $1.4-billion; and most of that is for the extension, and the new platform at Kennedy. The conversion itself is only a fraction of the budget. To build subway for that money, you'd have to achieve $233-million a kilometre - which is lower than any current planning number.A subway extension would be cheaper than the planned conversion & extension.
Why is it rude to point out facts? Scarberian is not wrong. Justin keeps insisting that the SLRT is better. He has yet to respond to my post pointing out the flaws of the extension.
I'd like Justin to tell me why he thinks that's a great idea. Till then, nobody is out of place in suggesting he's ignorant to the facts on the ground.