Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

Look at the distances involved. The no reinvention schemes would be bus lanes, streetcars and maybe traditional automated guideway. All of which have bis issues with capital cost, operating expenses and frequency of service (albeit in varying combinations). The biggest risk in this project is that it becomes just another car oriented greenfield development with some aesthetic concessions to urbanism.
 
1-2km is a perfectly reasonable distance for cycling, no?
 
Neutrino said:
Ugh, why reinvent the wheel with some PRT scheme? Just create good bike lanes ans safe pedestrian streets.
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That's all in there, I assure you. If you look at the map you can see why some kind of shuttle is necessary. The biggest densities (we're talking the Markham side here) are on the west, close to the subway station, and then in the middle. The middle is close to the existing GO but not that close to the RHC station or the Longbridge station. Being able to get people between them is crucial to making it work. Auto traffic is really shunted to the outer ring with that linear park system and red dotted line being for active transpo and a shuttle (they were talking about the half-size YRT buses, for example).

If you look at the Master Plan linked on the previous page you can see it. I can't paste from it but you can see the Design Concept speaks to having a "pedestrian, bicycle and transit-oriented corridor."

This is all less of an issue on the RH side as the subway station is much more central.
 
Neutrino said:
1-2km is a perfectly reasonable distance for cycling, no?
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Not as the core mode for a dense, multi use all year neighborhood it's not. No one here is going to oppose proper cycling infrastructure, but it just doesn't reflect the reality of our position to say that we can put in any sort of pedestrian or cycle solutions for a 2km "last mile" and expect not to have very heavy auto mode share.
 
The plan is certainly ambitious, but I hope they don't neglect the small details like protected bike lanes and pedestrian friendly curb extensions to truly make this site urban, without paying lip service as @Bureaucromancer mentioned.
 
^^ Give anti-car zealots an inch and they'll demand a mile. Pedestrians should quit looking at their phones and cyclists should be glad there are bike lanes at all. I can't believe all this dissatisfied whining that goes on at UT..
 
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lmao I'm primarily a driver, but that doesn't stop me from supporting good transit.
 
drum118 said:
Fully support the delay to the Yonge Line and Building the DRL to Finch/Steeles before going into the 905. Have no problem taking the Yonge line to Steeles since it should have went there in the first place when building the extension.
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a) It's not really a DELAY; there's never been a firm timetable for any of this stuff. Indeed, since Tory just announced the DRL-south is opening 2 years earlier, I could argue YSNE also just got moved up 2 years!

b) There is no indication, not from Metrolinx, not from Toronto staff, not from Toronto council, that a just-to-Steeles extension in any way would mitigate the capacity concerns or is in any way under consideration. So you might as well support a just-to-Cummer extension or a just-to-Wedgewood extension or a just-to-Golden Star extension. What problem are you solving there?

All the residents who live here [pictured below] will be getting on the subway whether you leave it at Finch, extend it to Steeles or to 7. It's 2019 - why are people on this thread still supporting a non-existent to-Steeles extension that is unfeasible politically, non-sensical in terms of policy and meaningless in terms of transportation patterns? Given the built form in the area in the early 1970s, I'm pretty sure you would have barely supported an extension to Sheppard, much less said, "Oh, it totally makes sense to go all the way to Steeles, so the cows can ride trains too."

Ah - yeah, this is Yonge from Cummer to Steeles in 1973, a year before Finch Station opened. If you think building a subway to HERE "in the first place" totally made sense but a subway north of here in 2030 doesn't, well, I'm just not sure I agree with your logic.

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And DRL to Steeles? Even more baffling. No one is seriously suggesting it go that far north (certainly not before 2050) or that it's necessary to achieve the desired capacity. Honestly, no offence but you must be living in a world different from mine, where something physical actually happens when you hit Steeles Avenue; something changes, like human beings become minotaurs or you're suddenly transported to 1930s earth where you have to not save a young social worker from being hit by a car or you suddenly find yourself in a winter wonderland with street lamp mysteriously shining. Because otherwise, all this "I fully support X to Steeles" only makes sense in the abstract.

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TJ O'Pootertoot said:
a) It's not really a DELAY; there's never been a firm timetable for any of this stuff. Indeed, since Tory just announced the DRL-south is opening 2 years earlier, I could argue YSNE also just got moved up 2 years!

b) There is no indication, not from Metrolinx, not from Toronto staff, not from Toronto council, that a just-to-Steeles extension in any way would mitigate the capacity concerns or is in any way under consideration. So you might as well support a just-to-Cummer extension or a just-to-Wedgewood extension or a just-to-Golden Star extension. What problem are you solving there?

All the residents who live here [pictured below] will be getting on the subway whether you leave it at Finch, extend it to Steeles or to 7. It's 2019 - why are people on this thread still supporting a non-existent to-Steeles extension that is unfeasible politically, non-sensical in terms of policy and meaningless in terms of transportation patterns? Given the built form in the area in the early 1970s, I'm pretty sure you would have barely supported an extension to Sheppard, much less said, "Oh, it totally makes sense to go all the way to Steeles, so the cows can ride trains too."

Ah - yeah, this is Yonge from Cummer to Steeles in 1973, a year before Finch Station opened. If you think building a subway to HERE "in the first place" totally made sense but a subway north of here in 2030 doesn't, well, I'm just not sure I agree with your logic.

And DRL to Steeles? Even more baffling. No one is seriously suggesting it go that far north (certainly not before 2050) or that it's necessary to achieve the desired capacity. Honestly, no offence but you must be living in a world different from mine, where something physical actually happens when you hit Steeles Avenue; something changes, like human beings become minotaurs or you're suddenly transported to 1930s earth where you have to not save a young social worker from being hit by a car or you suddenly find yourself in a winter wonderland with street lamp mysteriously shining. Because otherwise, all this "I fully support X to Steeles" only makes sense in the abstract.
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One needs to think 25-50 years down the road when planning subway lines. Some times it will fail to meet x numbers like a lot of centre development back in the 90's and one has to look at the North York Centre station that wasn't plan for that it has a very high ridership today.

You need to look at current ridership on routes feeding into the Yonge Line today to start off with. 35% will move to the DRL and possible more. You need to look at what can happen for land use along the current corridor as well for the DRL.

One only has to look at Yonge to see the amount of density coming to it north of Finch to Steeles that will not only replace the 35% riders using the DRL, but adding to it. this also applies going south from Finch.

You look at the current mess on the Yonge line today, what are you going to do in 25 years when you can't get on it due the amount of development underway, plan and the unknown ones to surface in the coming years??

The current plan for the DRL going to Line 2 is going to do nothing for Line 1. Even going to Eglinton will be a drop in the bucket. Only when you get to Finch, you will see a huge change and going to Steeles will help more, even though the ridership maybe lower than plan for.

Regardless what happens, you will need another Yonge Line to the point the 2nd Yonge Line is the one thats goes into the 905. It should be an express line south of Steeles and a different alignment south of Eglinton to the Waterfront as the current stations will never handle the ridership of 2 lines.

Given the fact how long it has taken the DRL to get to where it is, how long do you think it will take to get to Eglinton, Sheppard, Finch and Steeles?? Most of it will never happen in our lifetime. The idea of the line is already 109 years old after it was approved on Jan 1, 1910.

What world we live in is based on what can see today and coming down the road and I see a shit load of new riders, development and the way we do things today coming at us from all angles.
 
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The north extension should be done to the Sheppard Line. Then, and only then should a YN extension happen. This would mean that you can avoid crush limits and having to wait for several trains to get to Union.
 
RL North along Don Mills to Sheppard makes the most sense, but where should it go from there? I'm not that familiar with that part of the city. Seneca college? Downtown Markham as a terminus?
 
I think it should go to finch/Seneca, and then cross the 404 to terminate at Steeles... Either at VP or Warden.

To widen the catchment area you don't want it too close to Yonge, it should branch out a bit. Also, I think there's room for elevated for the northernmost section.

Someone should remind Markham that a Relief line north is going to help them as much as the Yonge extension.
 
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