Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

A modest proposal:

The Provincial government should pass a law, re-drawing the boundaries of Mississauga and Toronto, re-designating Kipling subway station from a location in the City of Toronto to being part of the City of Mississauga. It could take the form of a Mississauga enclave or Toronto could cede a strip of land roughly approximating the yellow line on Dundas Street to connect the two sites.

That way, the great City of Mississauga with its 700,000 residents will finally have a subway serving it. With some rewiring of the phones in the station, it could also be declared that rapid transit has been brought to "the 905"!

Bringing Mississauga to the subway would cost in approximately $100, compared to the billion dollars or so that it would take to bring the subway to Mississauga.

This is clearly the best choice for anyone determined to see the City of Mississauga served by a subway. However, some people believe that the ridership and population that a subway line can serve is of greater importance than the arbitrary political boundary that that population happens to live within. For those people, greater effort, expense, study, and thought will be required.
 
CDL: I like your proposal, but do not feel it is appropriate to penalize Torontonians with a TRIPLE fare, when it was their tax dollars that originally built the station.
 
While we're at it, I wouldn't mind if Valleywood were annexed into the City of Toronto.:)
 
CDL.TO said:
A modest proposal:

The Provincial government should pass a law, re-drawing the boundaries of Mississauga and Toronto, re-designating Kipling subway station from a location in the City of Toronto to being part of the City of Mississauga. It could take the form of a Mississauga enclave or Toronto could cede a strip of land roughly approximating the yellow line on Dundas Street to connect the two sites.
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Sure. Plus, re-designate the Glencairn station vicinity as a part of Sudbury. Isn't that great to be able to travel between Sudbury and Toronto's Union station in just 15 min :)
 
Just curious, but what would happen to the current GO Finch interregional bus terminal after the Yonge extension is complete? Is there any plans or provisions to relocate its services/facilities to the RHC vicinity?

Btw, I think "Holy Cross" would be a better name than "Bunker", just an opinion.
 
I would expect that the interregional facility at Finch would be closed and declared surplus. There's no need for a terminal there, especially with the one at RHC which better connects to regional services on the 407.. and York Mills handles the regional services on the 401.
 
CDL.TO said:
That way, the great City of Mississauga with its 700,000 residents will finally have a subway serving it. With some rewiring of the phones in the station, it could also be declared that rapid transit has been brought to "the 905"!

Bringing Mississauga to the subway would cost in approximately $100, compared to the billion dollars or so that it would take to bring the subway to Mississauga.
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F**king brilliant! The subway goes to "The 905" and all of the GTA's transportation problems are solved.
 
CDL.TO said:
This is clearly the best choice for anyone determined to see the City of Mississauga served by a subway. However, some people believe that the ridership and population that a subway line can serve is of greater importance than the arbitrary political boundary that that population happens to live within. For those people, greater effort, expense, study, and thought will be required.
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But does York Region really have higher ridership and density than Mississauga, as you suggest? And how much effort, expense, study, and thought did it take to determine this?
 
doady said:
But does York Region really have higher ridership and density than Mississauga, as you suggest?
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That's not what he suggested at all. You're still fixated on arbitrary political boundaries. We're talking about the buses and car traffic you take off the road by extending the Yonge line 7 km north.

Not the overall size and density of Mississauga or Peel Region or Richmond Hill or Markham or Vaughan or York Region, or Central Ontario, or GTAH. Just a 7 km stretch.
 
doady said:
But does York Region really have higher ridership and density than Mississauga, as you suggest? And how much effort, expense, study, and thought did it take to determine this?
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I honestly don't think that the relative population or population density of Mississauga versus York Region matters in this case. Even today, the entire York Region transit system is completely centred around Yonge St. and the Yonge Subway. A subway extension to Highway 7 will complement the existing transit network, and reinforce century old travel patterns.

A subway extension into Missisauga will create a brand new travel pattern out of thin air. There's no guarantee that it would succeed as the transit corridor has not necessarily been established, and the proof is that there's not even a consensus yet regarding the best route westward from Kipling! Even though Mississauga transit has more riders, a greater percentage of YRT passengers use the Yonge subway, and thus the subway is already an integral part of transit in York Region.
 
Chuck said:
greater percentage of YRT passengers use the Yonge subway, and thus the subway is already an integral part of transit in York Region.
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And a great percentage of MT passengers use the Bloor subway and thus the subway is already an integral part of transit in Mississauga.
 
Chuck said:
A subway extension into Missisauga will create a brand new travel pattern out of thin air.
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You clearly have never been to Mississauga before and are talking waaaaay out of your ass. A subway to Mississauga would be a "brand new travel pattern"? "out of thin air"? WTF. What have you been smoking?
 
khristopher said:
And a great percentage of MT passengers use the Bloor subway and thus the subway is already an integral part of transit in Mississauga.
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Yes, but from the Bloor subway the bus routes go in all different directions... TTC routes to Sherway, MT routes on Dundas, Bloor, Burnhamthorpe, 427 to Eglinton, etc. There is no clear preferred route. This contrasts to Yonge where the bulk of buses coming out of Finch go north on Yonge. Many say that Dundas would be the preferred route of a subway to MCC but not a single route goes from Kipling subway station to MCC via Dundas. As Chuck says, the route would likely follow a whole new travel pattern unless it took Bloor or Burhamthorpe which it is unlikely to do.
 
EnviroTO said:
Yes, but from the Bloor subway the bus routes go in all different directions... TTC routes to Sherway, MT routes on Dundas, Bloor, Burnhamthorpe, 427 to Eglinton, etc. There is no clear preferred route. This contrasts to Yonge where the bulk of buses coming out of Finch go north on Yonge. Many say that Dundas would be the preferred route of a subway to MCC but not a single route goes from Kipling subway station to MCC via Dundas. As Chuck says, the route would likely follow a whole new travel pattern unless it took Bloor or Burhamthorpe which it is unlikely to do.
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It could easily go along Dundas, and then turn north at Hurontario.
 
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