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agree. Trudeau better give $$$ for the DRL long (or at least to Eglinton) and YN together starting from 2019 then he will surely secure the vote rich GTA for another term. ;)
 
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TheTigerMaster said:
Look at the SSE schedule. Construction begins 9 months after TPAP (EA) completion. I see no reason why the Relief Line won't follow similar timelines, save for political issues.
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TTC long-since hired a single contractor to prepare both the EA, and do the predesign work for the SSE. Also, they aren't doing it as a design-build, so they don't have to advance the design as far as they would have to (say for the Eglinton Crosstown) before tendering. They were out last year drilling boreholes along the McCowan alignment.

They haven't even tendered the predesign work yet for Yonge - despite the EA being long complete.
 
kEiThZ said:
@Amare

What I find unusual is this insistence that York Region should not prioritize the Yonge subway. Why not? Each region should be setting their priorities according to their needs. Now whether the province aceedes to their demands is another matter altogether. But chastising them for asking for it? And then saying that that they shouldn't ask for it becuase they also have other transit issues? I don't see the point in such criticism.
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Like TigerMaster said, I really dont care if York Region prioritizes the Yonge line or not. The issue is, that they choose on making facts up saying that the Yonge line can handle additional capacity from a Yonge line extension after ATO and the Spadina Extension are complete. That is a bold face lie, and they know it.

The facts are facts; the Yonge line WILL be overcapacity again in 2031 (as stated in the Metrolinx report) and unless GO RER and other proposed projects are built out by then, it will reach capacity sooner then 2031.
 
Today a Vaughan councillor is disputing the "no capacity mythology" pertaining to the Yonge subway, says that...
“What we currently have is Toronto dominating the conversation at all times and all instances. If Toronto says, ‘no,’ or they’re not interested (in a transit project), it’s not happening. That’s part of the problem with the planning in the Greater Toronto Hamilton Area."
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And we should give them the subway before the DRL because,
“I don’t think the density is there at the moment but it will be there."
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Oliver Moore said it best.

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TJ O'Pootertoot said:
I sincerely understand the capacity issues - the whole process is messed up. Anyone can pitch anyone. But obviously no one is going to start digging just because Trudeau gave York Region some money. It SHOULD all go through Metrolinx but that doesn't always work either (see: Ford, Rob and Transit City).

Per above, Metrolinx does see the need for the RL but not necessarily as a prerequisite.

The push to Steeles-only doesn't make sense in terms of ridership, money or politics. but that doesn't mean it won't happen. (If your'e sincerely concerned about straining relationships between the 2 municipalities, how do you think YR will react to asking them to intensify, promising them a subway, having them do all the required work, waiting, asking for money - and then building the darned thing right to their border [including construction on their half, almost certainly] and stopping it 3km short of their biggest planned growth hub?)
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Cluck all you want about cooperation but they've shown their true colours by going over the heads of QP. Their intentions should be clear as day by now.

It's sincerely not Toronto's fault that York has been spending like drunken sailors who now sniff for a bailout from Ottawa to prop up the ponzi scheme they call a city. It's going to be amusing when the hypothetical development in the previously aired renderporn doesn't come to pass and the house of cards comes crashing down.
 
Forgotten said:
Cluck all you want about cooperation but they've shown their true colours by going over the heads of QP. Their intentions should be clear as day by now.

It's sincerely not Toronto's fault that York has been spending like drunken sailors who now sniff for a bailout from Ottawa to prop up the ponzi scheme they call a city. It's going to be amusing when the hypothetical development in the previously aired renderporn doesn't come to pass and the house of cards comes crashing down.
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wow that's a little extreme...
 
Why don't we just let York Region build their extension but charge an extra fare and force a transfer at Finch until the DRL is built? Or allow them to build what they want within their own border.
 
What makes this awkward is York's desire is not to have transit not for its own sake, but rather transit that carries people into Toronto.

If York wants transit from Richmond Hill to Steeles, fine. Let them fund and build it. All the more power to them for doing this.

As for the connection from Steeles to Finch.....that part is Toronto's business. There is nothing wrong with Toronto "dominating the conversation" about this part. When the DRL is done, this part can be finished at the same time.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
What makes this awkward is York's desire is not to have transit not for its own sake, but rather transit that carries people into Toronto.

If York wants transit from Richmond Hill to Steeles, fine. Let them fund and build it. All the more power to them for doing this.

As for the connection from Steeles to Finch.....that part is Toronto's business. There is nothing wrong with Toronto "dominating the conversation" about this part. When the DRL is done, this part can be finished at the same time.

- Paul
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As I said just before the thread went to this page... let them build to Finch. Just force a transfer and extra fare at Finch until the DRL is built.
 
nfitz said:
TTC long-since hired a single contractor to prepare both the EA, and do the predesign work for the SSE. Also, they aren't doing it as a design-build, so they don't have to advance the design as far as they would have to (say for the Eglinton Crosstown) before tendering. They were out last year drilling boreholes along the McCowan alignment.

They haven't even tendered the predesign work yet for Yonge - despite the EA being long complete.
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Regarding boreholes, I asked about the lack of Relief Line geotechnical work last year when SSE geotechnical began. I was told that unlike the SSE, City Planning should have enough geotechnical data from previous downtown projects to select a recommended alignment without having to do significant geotechnical work specifically for the Relief Line. And that DRL specific geotechnical work wouldn't happen happen the EA and design/tender. So if that's true, I think hiring for the DRL EA wouldn't happen for several more months because that information isn't needed yet.
 
Tuscani01 said:
As I said just before the thread went to this page... let them build to Finch. Just force a transfer and extra fare at Finch until the DRL is built.
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Well the move to Presto could easily facilitate zone fares - no one said anything about the price having to be reasonable.

AoD
 
crs1026 said:
What makes this awkward is York's desire is not to have transit not for its own sake, but rather transit that carries people into Toronto.

If York wants transit from Richmond Hill to Steeles, fine. Let them fund and build it. All the more power to them for doing this.

As for the connection from Steeles to Finch.....that part is Toronto's business. There is nothing wrong with Toronto "dominating the conversation" about this part. When the DRL is done, this part can be finished at the same time.

- Paul
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If York Region wants this subway, they're more than welcome to pay for the Finch to Steeles section too, only once sufficient Yonge relief is in place. As a Toronto taxpayer, I'm no longer feeling particularly compelled to having TO tax dollars contribute to YNSE
 
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