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That's remarkable.. Even our deserts are densely populated!
I know you are joking there but, actually, that is a farely typical crowd at the badlands....it really does draw fair number of visitors.
That's remarkable.. Even our deserts are densely populated!
I've always wondered where New York's "Oakville" is? Not so much as distance, but housing stock suburbia. There's quite a bit Eastward through Long Island, New Jersey seems to be too built up/dense, and Norward into Westchester seems to be too rural.
KDP: Oakville is about 20 miles W of Downtown Toronto...New York's outer city/suburban areas tend to be older then Toronto's suburbs and to get a reasonable equivalent in density you need to go at least 30 miles from Manhattan: Eastern Nassau County on Long Island; In New Jersey
there are cities like Newark (10 miles W of Manhattan) and Paterson being among the largest NJ cities and suburbs are away W or S (in Newark's case) or N and W (Paterson) being examples...Upper Westchester County N of White Plains would be an equivalent density to Oakville also...
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KDP: Oakville is about 20 miles W of Downtown Toronto...New York's outer city/suburban areas tend to be older then Toronto's suburbs and to get a reasonable equivalent in density you need to go at least 30 miles from Manhattan: Eastern Nassau County on Long Island; In New Jersey
there are cities like Newark (10 miles W of Manhattan) and Paterson being among the largest NJ cities and suburbs are away W or S (in Newark's case) or N and W (Paterson) being examples...Upper Westchester County N of White Plains would be an equivalent density to Oakville also...
LI MIKE
Perhaps Levittown would be a good example of New York's Oakville? Despite being the same vintage as Don Mills (which is known as 'Canada's Levittown'), Levittown is far more single used and sprawled out than almost anything within the 416. Last time I was in New York I went out to that suburb, just to say that I've been there.
I was just about to log in and say White Plains is NYC's equivalent of Oakville, at least in terms of general appearance and income bracket.
New York suburbs tend to be soulless culture-free zones with no diversity or architectural interest to speak of, so there's that to consider.
There are generally two general types of srpawl in the US: the extreme low density rustbelt/snowbelt style of sprawl and the high density sunbelt style.
Atlanta's sprawl is typical of sprawl in the snowbelt/rustbelt of the US (even though it is located in the south). Even though it is surrounded by the Rustbelt, Toronto's sprawl is more similar to that of the Sunbelt, but it's also the "North American Moscow" (literally thousands of apartment buildings).
Urban sprawl in Canada in general is mostly the Sunbelt style. The rustbelt/snowbelt style is mostly only found in the Atlantic provinces.
One major difference with Canadian suburbs is that they have much higher rates of transit use. Look at the frequent bus service in outer 416, or even Mississauga. That level of transit service is unthinkable in suburban US.
Apart from Canadian cultural differences and gas prices, there is something to be said, again, for incorporation and, even moreso, for the size of a suburban municipality. The suburbs of Toronto and Vancouver are not only bonafide incorporated cities, but also the largest suburban municipalities on the continent (Mississauga is probably one of the 20 largest municipalities in North America, of any kind). They have the resources and the manpower to plan transit and direct growth to a level that only large central cities normally can, and are so jurisdictionally large that they have a broad segment of the population represented within their boundaries.
I've always wondered why Toronto's inner suburbs have so many high rise buildings. I haven't seen that in any other city in North America.