amnesiajune
Senior Member
It's not. Nobody wants to go there.
Toronto Spadina Subway Extension Emergency Exits | ?m | 1s | TTC | IBI Group
- Thread starter 299 bloor call control.
- Start date
It's not. Nobody wants to go there.
amnesiajune
Senior Member
It could work if there was no street parking, but people will moan and groan about that too (and to be fair, it's not like on King, Bloor or Spadina - there's very little off-street parking in Cabbagetown). There are also problems with right-turning traffic and the existing tracks that would need to be rebuilt.
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
People who live west of, say, Dufferin will naturally drift towards Pioneer Village. No one east of there will take a bus the wrong way to go south. These are all fantasy ideas. If there were proper fare integration you MIGHT encourage YRT riders to take Viva to VMC and/or 407 from further east, instead of heading down Yonge, but not at a double fare.
E.g. if I lived at Bathurst and could take the 88 from Promenade to Finch or take an "Express" bus to the Spadina line, I might just do the latter. But the further south you go and the further east you go, the less sense this makes and Steeles is way too slow a road for that option to work.
E.g. if I lived at Bathurst and could take the 88 from Promenade to Finch or take an "Express" bus to the Spadina line, I might just do the latter. But the further south you go and the further east you go, the less sense this makes and Steeles is way too slow a road for that option to work.
Sandpit
Active Member
I'm thinking fare integration + buses running on Highway 407. So with fare integration, someone might take GO route 40 (or some other future route) from RHC to Highway 407 Station instead of Viva down Yonge to Finch. Yes, it's a detour, but you're not sitting in mixed traffic AND getting a less crowded bus/subway trip. In fact, someone who doesn't care about paying extra could do that today (well, starting next week). It's basically paying extra for a seat.
Last edited:
Sandpit
Active Member
People with destinations west of University would. Plus it's that question again: "How badly do you want relief for the Yonge line?" And if you're that desperate...
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Would a pilot where there will be FREE transfers on the Spadina side, while the Yonge side keeps the double fare ever become a reality?
Sandpit
Active Member
I say no under current conditions, yes if they ever get desperate about relieving Yonge under continually rising ridership.
amnesiajune
Senior Member
This is the "nobody" that I'm talking about.
If you're that desperate you're better off just getting rid of the 53 and 39 buses and telling people to drive.
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
I think most people agree here: simply doing buses (even express buses) won't do it.
Even if I work at, say Spadina and Queen, the time difference getting off at Osgoode and taking a streetcar (having boarded at Pioneer Village) vs. getting off at Queen and taking a streetcar (having boarded at Finch) is fairly insignificant. The question is how long it takes to get TO that boarding point in the first place.
If you sincerely want to "artificially" shift people to that line who are now "naturally" going to Yonge Street, an express bus won't be sufficient. I'd say you need at least one of:
a) Fare incentive (i.e. pay double fare if you board at Finch but just single fare if you board at PV
b) A bus-only lane / BRT lite to make the 'express' bus actually a fast option, if doing it on Steeles.
I do think it could work at the 407 with an express bus, as above. Instead of taking people from RHC on Viva down to Finch, you can have a shuttle bus that gets them to the 407 station very quickly. Depending on final destination points (ie they'd have be going somewhere central/west downtown for it to be valuable), that could work.
As @Leo_Chan said above, it could be an interesting pilot, trying out something like that. But it will require a concerted effort to actually draw people away from Yonge, IMHO.
Even if I work at, say Spadina and Queen, the time difference getting off at Osgoode and taking a streetcar (having boarded at Pioneer Village) vs. getting off at Queen and taking a streetcar (having boarded at Finch) is fairly insignificant. The question is how long it takes to get TO that boarding point in the first place.
If you sincerely want to "artificially" shift people to that line who are now "naturally" going to Yonge Street, an express bus won't be sufficient. I'd say you need at least one of:
a) Fare incentive (i.e. pay double fare if you board at Finch but just single fare if you board at PV
b) A bus-only lane / BRT lite to make the 'express' bus actually a fast option, if doing it on Steeles.
I do think it could work at the 407 with an express bus, as above. Instead of taking people from RHC on Viva down to Finch, you can have a shuttle bus that gets them to the 407 station very quickly. Depending on final destination points (ie they'd have be going somewhere central/west downtown for it to be valuable), that could work.
As @Leo_Chan said above, it could be an interesting pilot, trying out something like that. But it will require a concerted effort to actually draw people away from Yonge, IMHO.
Neutrino
Senior Member
And besides, induced/pent up demand will consume any such freed capacity.
drum118
Superstar
Line 1 extension opening brings TTC service changes
December 12, 2017
With the Line 1 Yonge-University extension into York Region opening this Sunday morning, the TTC is reminding customers about numerous improvements and changes to services along the line.
Starting at 8 a .m. on Sun., Dec. 17, customers will see new bus routing, additional parking and more connections to transit services outside the city of Toronto. There is no additional fare required to ride the subway north of Steeles, outside Toronto city limits. Additional fares only apply when changing between the TTC and other transit agencies.
The opening of the Line 1 extension also marks the introduction of a new Customer Service Agent role, replacing traditional collector booths at the six new stations. Customer Service Agents will roll out over the next year across the TTC.
Customers using the new stations can pay by tapping a PRESTO card or with a Metropass, tickets, tokens and cash. Tickets, tokens and Metropasses will not be sold at these stations. Exact change cash payments will also be accepted. Customers can buy and load a PRESTO card at each station.
The extension adds approximately 13 minutes to the full ride time on Line 1 from Finch to Vaughan Metropolitan Centre for a total ride time of 79 minutes. On weekday morning and afternoon rush hours, trains will run approximately every two and a half minutes increasing to just under four minutes during the day and in the early evening. During the day on Saturdays, trains will run every three to four minutes. Monday to Saturday nights and on Sundays, trains will run approximately every five minutes.
Weekday mornings between 8 and 9:30 a.m., every second northbound train will continue to turn back at Glencairn Station.
The 8.6 kilometre Line 1 extension features a state-of-the-art signalling system and six, modern, bright, fully accessible stations all equipped with Wi-Fi, cell, the TTC's new fare gates with PRESTO and dedicated bicycle parking.
- Downsview Park Station is located at 80 Carl Hall Rd. and is both a TTC and GO Transit rail station. GO trains will service this station beginning Sat., Dec. 30. TTC buses will continue to serve Sheppard Ave. W., with pedestrian access to the station from the west entrance at Vitti St./Bakersfield St.
- Finch West Station is located at 3950 Keele St. and features a six-bay bus terminal and passenger pick-up and drop-off. Connecting TTC routes at this station include 36 Finch West, 41 Keele (on-street connection on Keele St.), 107 St Regis (formerly 107 Keele North with an on-street connection on Keele St.), 199B Finch Rocket and Wheel-Trans.
- York University Station is located at 120 Ian Macdonald Blvd. with two entrances to the north and south side of the Harry W. Arthurs Common. Most of the existing TTC bus service through the Common will be relocated to bus terminals at Finch West and Pioneer Village stations. The 196 York University Rocket route will no longer operate. The nearest TTC bus service to York University will be the 41 Keele, which will operate through campus to Pioneer Village Station. The campus will also be served by the 106 Sentinel route and Wheel-Trans. GO Transit, YRT, Viva and Brampton Zum services continue as usual.
- Pioneer Village Station is located at 185 Northwest Gate (south entrance) and 2800 Steeles Ave. W. (north entrance). The station features a 12-bay TTC bus terminal and a five-bay YRT/Viva bus terminal. Connecting TTC bus routes are 35 Jane, 41 Keele, 60 Steeles West, 84D Sheppard West, 106 Sentinel (formerly 106 York University), 107 St Regis (formerly 107 Keele North), 108 Driftwood (formerly 108 Downsview), 195 Jane Rocket, Wheel-Trans and YRT Mobility Plus.
- Highway 407 Station is located at 7332 Jane St and station features an 18-bay accessible bus terminal for GO and YRT buses and a future connection to the 407 Transitway. For connections to GO Transit bus routes please https://eur01.safelinks.protection....ysXnp1EJlenON6tj3akzm9QsOh2RfmHjs=&reserved=0 and YRT/Viva bus routes https://eur01.safelinks.protection....sn/7KQnffSJMC9fmwGauT65S9T7qn911Q=&reserved=0. YRT Mobility Plus will service this station.
- Vaughan Metropolitan Centre Station is located at 3150 Highway 7. The station features a concourse connection to Viva and YRT buses. Customers will also be able to connect to on-street passenger pick-up and drop-off locations. For connections to YRT/Viva bus routes please visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection....sn/7KQnffSJMC9fmwGauT65S9T7qn911Q=&reserved=0 for more information. YRT Mobility Plus will service this station.
All changes to TTC services take effect at 8 a.m. on Dec. 17. Customers using other transit agencies should consult that agency's website for route, schedule and fare information.
Parking on the Line 1 extension will be provided by the TTC at Finch West Station (347 spaces), Pioneer Village Station (1,881 spaces) and Highway 407 Station (583 spaces). Parking will be free at those TTC parking lots until April.
The Line 1 extension is jointly funded by the government of Canada, province of Ontario, the City of Toronto and the Regional Municipality of York.
December 12, 2017
With the Line 1 Yonge-University extension into York Region opening this Sunday morning, the TTC is reminding customers about numerous improvements and changes to services along the line.
Starting at 8 a .m. on Sun., Dec. 17, customers will see new bus routing, additional parking and more connections to transit services outside the city of Toronto. There is no additional fare required to ride the subway north of Steeles, outside Toronto city limits. Additional fares only apply when changing between the TTC and other transit agencies.
The opening of the Line 1 extension also marks the introduction of a new Customer Service Agent role, replacing traditional collector booths at the six new stations. Customer Service Agents will roll out over the next year across the TTC.
Customers using the new stations can pay by tapping a PRESTO card or with a Metropass, tickets, tokens and cash. Tickets, tokens and Metropasses will not be sold at these stations. Exact change cash payments will also be accepted. Customers can buy and load a PRESTO card at each station.
The extension adds approximately 13 minutes to the full ride time on Line 1 from Finch to Vaughan Metropolitan Centre for a total ride time of 79 minutes. On weekday morning and afternoon rush hours, trains will run approximately every two and a half minutes increasing to just under four minutes during the day and in the early evening. During the day on Saturdays, trains will run every three to four minutes. Monday to Saturday nights and on Sundays, trains will run approximately every five minutes.
Weekday mornings between 8 and 9:30 a.m., every second northbound train will continue to turn back at Glencairn Station.
The 8.6 kilometre Line 1 extension features a state-of-the-art signalling system and six, modern, bright, fully accessible stations all equipped with Wi-Fi, cell, the TTC's new fare gates with PRESTO and dedicated bicycle parking.
- Downsview Park Station is located at 80 Carl Hall Rd. and is both a TTC and GO Transit rail station. GO trains will service this station beginning Sat., Dec. 30. TTC buses will continue to serve Sheppard Ave. W., with pedestrian access to the station from the west entrance at Vitti St./Bakersfield St.
- Finch West Station is located at 3950 Keele St. and features a six-bay bus terminal and passenger pick-up and drop-off. Connecting TTC routes at this station include 36 Finch West, 41 Keele (on-street connection on Keele St.), 107 St Regis (formerly 107 Keele North with an on-street connection on Keele St.), 199B Finch Rocket and Wheel-Trans.
- York University Station is located at 120 Ian Macdonald Blvd. with two entrances to the north and south side of the Harry W. Arthurs Common. Most of the existing TTC bus service through the Common will be relocated to bus terminals at Finch West and Pioneer Village stations. The 196 York University Rocket route will no longer operate. The nearest TTC bus service to York University will be the 41 Keele, which will operate through campus to Pioneer Village Station. The campus will also be served by the 106 Sentinel route and Wheel-Trans. GO Transit, YRT, Viva and Brampton Zum services continue as usual.
- Pioneer Village Station is located at 185 Northwest Gate (south entrance) and 2800 Steeles Ave. W. (north entrance). The station features a 12-bay TTC bus terminal and a five-bay YRT/Viva bus terminal. Connecting TTC bus routes are 35 Jane, 41 Keele, 60 Steeles West, 84D Sheppard West, 106 Sentinel (formerly 106 York University), 107 St Regis (formerly 107 Keele North), 108 Driftwood (formerly 108 Downsview), 195 Jane Rocket, Wheel-Trans and YRT Mobility Plus.
- Highway 407 Station is located at 7332 Jane St and station features an 18-bay accessible bus terminal for GO and YRT buses and a future connection to the 407 Transitway. For connections to GO Transit bus routes please https://eur01.safelinks.protection....ysXnp1EJlenON6tj3akzm9QsOh2RfmHjs=&reserved=0 and YRT/Viva bus routes https://eur01.safelinks.protection....sn/7KQnffSJMC9fmwGauT65S9T7qn911Q=&reserved=0. YRT Mobility Plus will service this station.
- Vaughan Metropolitan Centre Station is located at 3150 Highway 7. The station features a concourse connection to Viva and YRT buses. Customers will also be able to connect to on-street passenger pick-up and drop-off locations. For connections to YRT/Viva bus routes please visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection....sn/7KQnffSJMC9fmwGauT65S9T7qn911Q=&reserved=0 for more information. YRT Mobility Plus will service this station.
All changes to TTC services take effect at 8 a.m. on Dec. 17. Customers using other transit agencies should consult that agency's website for route, schedule and fare information.
Parking on the Line 1 extension will be provided by the TTC at Finch West Station (347 spaces), Pioneer Village Station (1,881 spaces) and Highway 407 Station (583 spaces). Parking will be free at those TTC parking lots until April.
The Line 1 extension is jointly funded by the government of Canada, province of Ontario, the City of Toronto and the Regional Municipality of York.
Richard White
Senior Member
I am surprised they did not offer free transit from the extension on opening day like they did with Sheppard. This should be interesting.
Sandpit
Active Member
I'm more surprised by the (seeming) lack of festivities. I was expecting cupcakes, performances by local youth groups, and TTC/YRT tables with those paper fold-up buses.
Richard White
Senior Member
It may have something to do with it being an extension and the time of year. Sheppard was a whole new line that opened in September, the TYSSE is an extension opening a week before Christmas.
TransitBart
Senior Member
How about celebrating the first decent sized expansion in 15 years? I’m just relieved to see some rapid transit. I am done with buses. Next stop, (no pun intended) Eglinton Crosstown.