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W. K. Lis said:
From the link:
If both Line 1 and the Ontario Line will be Automated Train Control (ATC) and will "have similar peak capacity", does that mean the cars will be narrower but will have longer (more cars per train) trains?
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Line 1 is a modification of an existing fixed block system with ATC, and the Ontario Line would be a lighter rail system with a more advanced driverless train system.

Trains not just narrower but significantly lighter can stop and start much quicker and the driverless system designed from the ground up can have even more capacity or trains per minute than a conversion of a heavy rail system.
 
ssiguy2 said:
This plan is a decidedly very good one and how ANYONE could bitch about it is beyond imagination and is doing so strictly fpr political points or a standard Ford bashing session.
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This is so silly.

Off the top of my head:
1) You're discounting the quality of the reputation of the message-carrier, which is ridiculous.
2) The announced plan is two-thirds unfunded, even though his promise to one of the would-be funding partners was that, in return for scooping up their subway system, he'd fund it all and get it built faster, and he's actively campaigning against the leader of the third potential funding partner; how do we think all those conversations are gonna go?
3) There are no details about the "jaw dropping" technology that would miraculously deliver the Relief Line faster.
4) As a result of #3, there is no way to accurately assess the timelines for the city's most important transit project.
5) There are no details as to whether the city will be compensated for the literal hundreds of millions of dollars it has spent on these projects to-date and, I'd argue, more importantly, it likely wastes all the time spent planning it and thus further calls into question the slated project completion date.
6) Two of the city's priority transit projects aren't included at all.
7) The "plan" doesn't even show where the damn stops are going to be.
8) It's very stupid and wasteful (a reality which Conservatives at least used to profess to care about) to build subways for at least two of these projects, and budgeting is a closed-loop system, which means the opportunity cost is other important provincial priorities don't get funded.

And so on...

Next time, before you blithely question the motives of everyone else passing judgment on the merits of a proposal, perhaps apply at least a semi-critical lens to it.

Or, at the very least, make an argument based on facts and rational thought before trying to own the libs.
 
44 North said:
Crossing Leaside above grade, is that one of the wow factors? The preexisting plan using conventional subway 100% would've been done the same...the math was done here, no question it would've been a viaduct too.
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could be done with conventional subway but the bridge would need to handle subway train weights, not lighter metro trains. Can be a significant cost savings.
 
mjl08 said:
So, what is the most likely technology that the Ontario Line will use? And when looking at successful case studies in Europe and warmer climates, will it be winter-proof?
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Will probably be the same REM tech

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Rolling stock

Learn about the REM light rail cars. First departures starting in 2022!
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which is being Winterized
 
Northern Light said:
Whatever one thinks of this plan........its obviously been in the works for some time...............

All the while, good money has been spent on detailed plans for the RL which will, it would seem, at the very least be altered.

If the government knew it was going to do this, say, six months ago...........why not order a freeze on the detailed design of the City's RL proposal?

Why allow good money to be thrown away?

Not acceptable.
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The plans for the Osgoode to Pape portion of the Relief Line, which as of right now was the only part of the DRL that was actually being seriously planned (the phase 2 to Don Mills were just lines on a map) are not being altered.
 
Holy shit this thread blew up. I go to write a final and this happens. But seriously, this is a huge disappointment. I'd much rather see the line go up to Sheppard before it veers west, it's Yonge crowding we're trying to reduce.
 
https://www.tvo.org/article/doug-fords-285-billion-toronto-transit-gambit

This:

The government will employ the P3 (public-private partnership) process but won't use the traditional "design, bid, build" approach, which it says can result in too many unanticipated and unpleasant surprises. Instead, it will simply tell prospective bidders what it wants, in broad strokes, allowing the bidders to come up with their own innovative approaches to meeting the criteria.
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and this:

The relief line would have seven so-called interfaces (Ontario Place, Osgoode and Queen stations, East Harbour, Gerrard, Pape, and the science centre) but would also feature many more stops along the way. The exact number and layout will be determined by the successful bidder.
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So it would appear the city will get 0 say where the stations go ... wow.
 
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