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Why no Richmond Hill line connection.
How did you figure it will ONLY cost $100M more? You realized that they'll have to tunnel under the Don River with Leslie station being much deeper than all other stations on the line. The station itself would have cost $150M. Metrolinx decided not to include that station if it was built tunnelled through. The idea was proposed if you remember correctly but it caused too many problem (politically), they decided against another EA amendment.
I don't think Metrolinx was up to the task of building a shorter version of the Prince Edward Viaduct with a lower deck for the LRT tracks. This will require the roadway on the new bridge to be raised a story to ensure the LRT tracks have enough clearance for the lower park access road and walking trails to the parking lot south of Eglinton. Alternatively they can just elevated that station right onto of the Leslie/Eg intersection. It would be the cheapest and most efficient. For such a low ridership station and a savings of 1 minute, I doubt it's worth it.
This is with no Station.The cost for an underground alignment between Brentcliffe and Don Mills would be approximately the same as the surface alignment to which the project has returned.
the costs associated with an underground LRT Station at this location (est. $80M) are not justified..
It appears that the locals were helping look for cheaper solutions, and likely $10M (or $10's of Millions) is what prevented a reasonable solution from being found.Several people at the meeting expressed displeasure at the loss of an LRT station at Leslie. To recover this station, a couple of people suggested building a bridge or viaduct over the valley presumably on the south side of Eglinton. Metrolinx did not like this idea as it would involve a $10 million cost to extract the TBM’s just east of Brentcliffe and to relaunch them presumably under the CP Rail embankment.
The entire thing was a lie from Metrolinx. They said the portal couldn't be built east of Brentcliffe and that's why the full tunneling is needed. Then, they said they couldn't do a south side, because it would still need a portal east of Brencliffe. After rejecting all suggestions, they reverted back to the solution they said was impossible.The problem remains that if the line emerges to the surface east of Brentcliffe, the conditions around the portal are not suitable for a launch site (although it would not surprise me if Metrolinx makes the problems worse than they actually might be in order to support tunneling to Don Mills).
They acted perfectly rationally. They left the location of the Station to Metrolinx, provided several solutions, and let the experts come up with the solution. The problem here is 100% Metrolinx, and whoever influenced them - and not the locals.The trouble with the NIMBYs in the Eglinton & Leslie area is that they wanted a stop at Leslie, PERIOD. There was no thought given to locating it on the south side of Eglinton, nor any other side or center, just that there would be a STOP, nothing about a location of the said stop. They just wanted the candy bar else they'll throw a temper tantrum.
They acted perfectly rationally. They left the location of the Station to Metrolinx, provided several solutions, and let the experts come up with the solution. The problem here is 100% Metrolinx, and whoever influenced them - and not the locals.
They acted perfectly rationally. They left the location of the Station to Metrolinx, provided several solutions, and let the experts come up with the solution. The problem here is 100% Metrolinx, and whoever influenced them - and not the locals.
Why no Richmond Hill line connection.
Why no Richmond Hill line connection.
As I have said before, re-grade the entire intersection. The tracks will become under the new intersection, and it will also lessen the incline on Eglinton, and on LeslieI don't understand why the Leslie LRT station couldn't be kept tunnelled and had the TBMs start at Don Mills go West to Yonge. I know it would raise the price by a few $100M, but IMO it would be better than waiting for a traffic light and going up and back down just for one stop. Also, the Sunnybrook Park Station(Leslie) being Orange on the map while the stations around it being gray is also a standout and dumb. Just cut and cover it immediately.
We'll be paying for the Leslie mistake in tax dollars in the future, I have no doubt about that.
Probably when the DRL reaches Eglinton and suddenly Metrolinx/TTC realize they need to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills rather than at Laird.
They are in the business of politics, not the business of planning and city building.It's not too late to correct things. Tory, Wynne and Trudeau just need the right amount of motivation to act.
We'll be paying for the Leslie mistake in tax dollars in the future, I have no doubt about that.
Probably when the DRL reaches Eglinton and suddenly Metrolinx/TTC realize they need to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills rather than at Laird.
Hmm, I didn't think about that aspect.Actually, when the DRL reaches Eglinton, it will partly mitigate the Leslie mistake. There will be less motivation to short-turn the LRT trains at Don Mills, as the demand east and west of it will be better matched.
Without DRL, a lot of riders will board Eglinton LRT at Don Mills just to reach Yonge and then head downtown. That includes walk-in riders, transfers from # 25 Don Mills, and transfers from the local routes like #100.
With DRL in place, many of those riders will board DRL and go straight to downtown. Thus, the demand on Eglinton LRT west of Don Mills will decline, will the demand east of Don Mills will grow because of the more direct connection to downtown. Because of that, the two levels of demand should be better matched.
They are pretty much the ones who got us in this mess (if you count Trudeau=Butts).It's not too late to correct things. Tory, Wynne and Trudeau just need the right amount of motivation to act.
There would still be a problem a couple of hundred metres east where the CPR bridge is, where traffic would squeeze to 2 lanes.As I have said before, re-grade the entire intersection. The tracks will become under the new intersection, and it will also lessen the incline on Eglinton, and on Leslie