Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[johntauren]

Why no Richmond Hill line connection.

Likely because the Richmond Hill GO tracks are still in the Don River valley (and are not the tracks going over at Leslie either) and lie fairly near the river where it crosses Eglinton. Not the best or most convenient places for a station, not to mention about 300m distance in either direction to anything else.

 

[BMO]

Why no Richmond Hill line connection.

Edit: I'm an idiot

 

[11th]

I don't understand why the Leslie LRT station couldn't be kept tunnelled and had the TBMs start at Don Mills go West to Yonge. I know it would raise the price by a few $100M, but IMO it would be better than waiting for a traffic light and going up and back down just for one stop. Also, the Sunnybrook Park Station(Leslie) being Orange on the map while the stations around it being gray is also a standout and dumb. Just cut and cover it immediately.

As I have said before, re-grade the entire intersection. The tracks will become under the new intersection, and it will also lessen the incline on Eglinton, and on Leslie

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

We'll be paying for the Leslie mistake in tax dollars in the future, I have no doubt about that.

Probably when the DRL reaches Eglinton and suddenly Metrolinx/TTC realize they need to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills rather than at Laird.

 

[Hopkins123]

We'll be paying for the Leslie mistake in tax dollars in the future, I have no doubt about that.

Probably when the DRL reaches Eglinton and suddenly Metrolinx/TTC realize they need to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills rather than at Laird.

It's not too late to correct things. Tory, Wynne and Trudeau just need the right amount of motivation to act.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

It's not too late to correct things. Tory, Wynne and Trudeau just need the right amount of motivation to act.

They are in the business of politics, not the business of planning and city building.

 

[Rainforest]

We'll be paying for the Leslie mistake in tax dollars in the future, I have no doubt about that.

Probably when the DRL reaches Eglinton and suddenly Metrolinx/TTC realize they need to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills rather than at Laird.

Actually, when the DRL reaches Eglinton, it will partly mitigate the Leslie mistake. There will be less motivation to short-turn the LRT trains at Don Mills, as the demand east and west of it will be better matched.

Without DRL, a lot of riders will board Eglinton LRT at Don Mills just to reach Yonge and then head downtown. That includes walk-in riders, transfers from # 25 Don Mills, and transfers from the local routes like #100.

With DRL in place, many of those riders will board DRL and go straight to downtown. Thus, the demand on Eglinton LRT west of Don Mills will decline, will the demand east of Don Mills will grow because of the more direct connection to downtown. Because of that, the two levels of demand should be better matched.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Actually, when the DRL reaches Eglinton, it will partly mitigate the Leslie mistake. There will be less motivation to short-turn the LRT trains at Don Mills, as the demand east and west of it will be better matched.

Without DRL, a lot of riders will board Eglinton LRT at Don Mills just to reach Yonge and then head downtown. That includes walk-in riders, transfers from # 25 Don Mills, and transfers from the local routes like #100.

With DRL in place, many of those riders will board DRL and go straight to downtown. Thus, the demand on Eglinton LRT west of Don Mills will decline, will the demand east of Don Mills will grow because of the more direct connection to downtown. Because of that, the two levels of demand should be better matched.

Hmm, I didn't think about that aspect.

Still, it is incredibly poor planning from a connectivity perspective, to short-turn the train 2 stops away from the large transit hub and interchange planned at Eglinton+Don Mills. Anyone travelling eastward (even to just access the DRL) might have to change trains at Laird, while people heading towards Yonge will deal with double the headway at Don Mills.

Plus, of course, any incident at the Leslie street intersection has the potential to greatly disrupt operations on Eglinton.

 

[BurlOak]

It's not too late to correct things. Tory, Wynne and Trudeau just need the right amount of motivation to act.

They are pretty much the ones who got us in this mess (if you count Trudeau=Butts).

 

[BurlOak]

As I have said before, re-grade the entire intersection. The tracks will become under the new intersection, and it will also lessen the incline on Eglinton, and on Leslie

There would still be a problem a couple of hundred metres east where the CPR bridge is, where traffic would squeeze to 2 lanes.

 

[BurlOak]

We'll be paying for the Leslie mistake in tax dollars in the future, I have no doubt about that.

Probably when the DRL reaches Eglinton and suddenly Metrolinx/TTC realize they need to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills rather than at Laird.

The thing I wonder is under what political scenario could someone actually promise to correct this mistake.

• First, maybe a campaign promise to extend the DRL to Sheppard.
• Then, highlight how short sighted government was to not plan ahead with a station rough-in.
• Follow that up with acknowledgement that ECLRT on street through Leslie also hurts the connectivity of the transit network.
• Promise to grade-separate ECLRT.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

The thing I wonder is under what political scenario could someone actually promise to correct this mistake.

• First, maybe a campaign promise to extend the DRL to Sheppard.
• Then, highlight how short sighted government was to not plan ahead with a station rough-in.
• Follow that up with acknowledgement that ECLRT on street through Leslie also hurts the connectivity of the transit network.
• Promise to grade-separate ECLRT.

The rising costs of the Scarborough subway and a political move to propose LRT interlined with the ECLRT to remove the transfer, could do it.

However unlikely that scenario is beginning to appear now.

 

[44 North]

Plus, of course, any incident at the Leslie street intersection has the potential to greatly disrupt operations on Eglinton.

As well as Leslie, I think it's logical we'll see a Planning proposal to bring the Celestica ramp to grade in the near/midterm (to coincide with the proposed development for that site). It's fairly anti-urban as it stands now. If that happens it'd be another potential for a service hiccup in the future. However Rainforest does raise a good point about a drop in demand for this stretch if/when there's rapid transit along Don Mills.

 

[Steve X]

The rising costs of the Scarborough subway and a political move to propose LRT interlined with the ECLRT to remove the transfer, could do it.

However unlikely that scenario is beginning to appear now.

Both Andy Byford and John Tory support subways. Good luck.

Better off convincing them to extend it to Sheppard and build Lawrence East in the near future.

 

[BurlOak]

The rising costs of the Scarborough subway and a political move to propose LRT interlined with the ECLRT to remove the transfer, could do it.

However unlikely that scenario is beginning to appear now.

That would require admitting that Ford was right all along. I am not sure who would campaign on that.