Markster
Senior Member
This is (a mockup of) the vehicle that will run on Transit City lines. There will likely be some minor interior changes after they recieve some feedback, and the paint job is also likely to change.
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andrewpmk
Senior Member
The "Crosstown" logo looks like a sticker to me. Notice that there are obvious "Flexity Freedom" and "Bombardier" logos on this unit. I am pretty sure this is a generic model of a Flexity Freedom LRV which the Transit City vehicles will be based on.
Also notice that it is obviously on a raised platform, hence the need for steps (this will not be true for the final product).
Also notice that it is obviously on a raised platform, hence the need for steps (this will not be true for the final product).
superman
Active Member
I think the mockup is close to what we'll see, it almost looks identical to what's in Metrolinx's promo videos.
The raised platform must just be a truckbed the vehicle is on for easy transport.
The aisles are really narrow though. (Considering that the LRT tunnel will be wider than subway tunnels). Wonder what the difference is from a full subway car.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Remember, it is a mock-up.
Here's a mock-up of the first heavy rail Subway car for the Yonge Subway.
Here's one of the real first Glousecter Subway cars.
There were changes made between the mock-up and the real cars. So it will happen between the light rail mock-up and the real one.
cassius
Active Member
Hopefully one of those changes is the width of the isle between the double-seats.
TOareaFan
Superstar
for that to happen wouldn't, either, there have to be less seats or narrower seats?
BurlOak
Senior Member
Remember, it is a mock-up.
Here's a mock-up of the first heavy rail Subway car for the Yonge Subway.
At least in this old mock-up they simulated the platform. I am sure that many people are confused when they see this. Either they will think it is all underground and that is the platform height, or that it is in the median and there are somehow stairs or long ramps to get up to platform level. I do not think the display is the bedt way to show Toronto how the new low floor LRT will look.
Darwinkgo
Active Member
Well, that is kinda hard, since under at least some of the seats are the wheels, motors and bogies. Can't just wish them away. One of the sacrifices of going low floor.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The suburban LRV will be wider than the downtown streetcars, allowing for more seats. Also why the suburban LRV will not be able to be used downtown, they will be too wide.
See this link for more information on the Freedom LRV.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
when in the example car today. there were 2 people in there pestering me to get my picture taken in the drivers seat. I just want to look at the damn train ok! it is such a small mockup it's difficult to get an idea of what the final train will look like anyways.
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Palma
Senior Member
why not a wider car? Those older pics of the streetcars look like they are wider than the new cars for the Crosstown
W. K. Lis
Superstar
When the Peter Witts arrived in Toronto for the Toronto Transportation Commission in the 1920's, they had to widen the narrow devil strip (the space between two sets of tracks) tracks to provide proper clearance, because they were wider than the old Toronto Street Railway streetcars.
Toronto Street Railway streetcar:
Toronto Transportation Commission's Peter Witt streetcar:
The PCC's, CLRV's, ALRV's, and the coming legacy low-floor LRVs are all the same width. The Bombardier Flexity Freedoms are even wider.
Bombardier Flexity Freedom:
DKsan
Active Member
From Toronto Star reporter Teresa Walinoski, who's tweeting the Metrolinx Board meeting for September:
"Metrolinx announces the Crosstown Transit Constructors consortium has won the first of 2 tunnelling contract on Eg. Value $320 Million."
"Tunneling expected to begin mid Feb."
"Metrolinx announces the Crosstown Transit Constructors consortium has won the first of 2 tunnelling contract on Eg. Value $320 Million."
"Tunneling expected to begin mid Feb."
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The estimate start date was to have been November of this year for the tunnelling to start. Must have been the water table at the Black Creek portal they are having to contend with.
nfitz
Superstar
I'm not sure the "start of tunnelling" has been consistently defined. Is it when the tunnelling contractor mobes, or when they launch the TBM?