T3G
Senior Member
Why would vehicles operating in their own private lane be subject to the general speed limit of the road? Makes about as much sense as expecting a subway to only run the speed limit of the street above.
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crs1026
Superstar
Legislative inertia. Because that's how the law was written before anyone was seriously building separated transit lines in Ontario. The default was streetcar in a mixed roadway, where it makes perfect sense that trams match the road speed.
As several posters noted, it would be pretty easy to change the HTA to exempt LRT.... I doubt any party would oppose this.
But is it wise? In mid block, maybe.... but ..... while I'm not a fan of TTC slow orders, it would not make sense to let LRT's roll through intersections at 60-80 km/hr, even with traffic priority. Depends on how much deterrence there is around pedestrians crosssing, timing of traffic cycles, etc. Some of those other examples have full railway type crossing protection. Toronto's LRT design may not be compatible with high speed, even if the cars will ride comfortably.
- Paul
cplchanb
Senior Member
looks like the totem poles are all set up and lit at the science centre station entrances as of last night.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Chicago's Brown Line also has a handful of at grade intersections on it's outer sections, despite running full scale heavy-metro, high platform trains on the line:
Northern Light
Superstar
Looking at the crossing signals here, made me think about the service frequency. You simply could not do that with headways of 2'30 in both directions, the barriers would never lift!
The service on Brown Line has a very brief peak of ever 5 minutes; but runs every 10-12M off-peak through the daytime, evening and weekend hours.
I imagine the barriers must be up when an 'away' direction train is entirely within the station; typically such proximity would not allow for that, but I can't see how you would make this work elsewise.
crs1026
Superstar
^ And whatever time gained by increasing track speed would be wasted... because a train leaving the platform would not trigger the gates until it was moving, and it would then have to crawl until the gates were all the way down.
- Paul
- Paul
ARG1
Senior Member
Philly very much treats the subway surface lines as a part of the trolley network, and not as part of the High Speed network alongside the BSL, MFL, and NHSL.
MUNI Metro is entirely light rail, with BART being the metro service that is run by a separate agency, and very much considered its own separate thing.
Finally, looking at Boston they pretend the Silver Line (which is a BRT system where much of it runs in mixed traffic) is part of the T the same way that the Metro Lines are. If anything, Boston is a prime example of what not to do in terms of wayfinding. I'd argue the same for other north american cities that do this like Los Angeles.
cplchanb
Senior Member
could they not program the gates to automatically deploy or delayed deployment upon sensing the train arriving at the platform? dwell time probably would be around 30s so if they can program the gates to drop 15s after sensing the train stop at the platform there will be no delay.
crs1026
Superstar
I suspect the gates work much along this line. They likely detect a train back before it enters the platform, triggering the gates to protect the scenario where the train does not stop. At some point the gates detect that the train is stopping and activation cancels.
The problem is the lead time needed to reactivate when the stopped train proceeds. It cannot accelerate until the gates are fully lowered. I suspect it will creep for a short time while the gates lower.
On freight railways, there is sometimes a pushbutton on the platform that the crew can use to begin the gate sequence… or it can be done by radio command. In transit context, that’s probably not practical.
- Paul
The problem is the lead time needed to reactivate when the stopped train proceeds. It cannot accelerate until the gates are fully lowered. I suspect it will creep for a short time while the gates lower.
On freight railways, there is sometimes a pushbutton on the platform that the crew can use to begin the gate sequence… or it can be done by radio command. In transit context, that’s probably not practical.
- Paul
drum118
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
I can't imagine what this has been like these past 10-12 years for those living on or abutting Eglinton.
Eglinton Crosstown LRT
Construction Notice
One Lane of Alternating Traffic on Eglinton Avenue and Yonge Street for Curb, Sidewalk, and Road Restoration Works
As early as Friday, November 3, 2023
What Work is Taking Place?
As early as Friday, November 3, 2023, at 6:00 p.m. and continuing through until approximately Monday, November 6, 2023, at 7:00 a.m., crews at Eglinton Station will be performing curb, sidewalk, and road restoration works on Eglinton Avenue and Yonge Street. To facilitate this work safely, eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue will be reduced to one alternating lane at Yonge Street. Northbound and southbound traffic on Yonge Street will be reduced to one alternating lane at Eglinton Avenue. Flaggers and a Paid Duty Officer will be present to help facilitate traffic movements. This work will take place on a 24-hour basis. Upon completion of this work, short term lane reductions may be required on Eglinton Avenue to facilitate special activities. Please review the complete notice or visit www.metrolinx.com/eglintoncrosstownlrt for more information.
What to Expect
Noise from construction activities can be expected. Concrete barriers, fencing, and signage will be in place to delineate the work zones. One lane of alternating traffic will be in place on Eglinton Avenue and Yonge Street. Traffic control personnel and Paid Duty Officer will be present when this work takes place. Expect delays while traveling through the area.
HOURS OF WORK
• As early as Friday, November 3, 2023, at 6:00 p.m. and ongoing until approximately Monday, November 6, 2023, at 7:00 a.m.
• Work is expected to take place on a 24-hour basis.
• Work may be rescheduled due to inclement weather or unforeseen circumstances.
• Work may be longer or shorter than expected.
TRAFFIC DETAILS
• Eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue will be reduced to one alternating lane at Yonge Street.
• Northbound and southbound traffic on Yonge Street will be reduced to one alternating lane at Eglinton Avenue.
• Flaggers and a Paid Duty Officer will be present to help facilitate traffic movements.
PEDESTRIAN DETAILS
• No changes to the current pedestrian routes are expected as a result of this work.
TRANSIT INFORMATION
• Access to TTC will be maintained at all times.
• Please visit www.ttc.ca for more information.
afransen
Senior Member
Thank goodness we tunneled the line to keep those construction disruptions to a minimum! /s
GenerationLee
Senior Member
On the stretch of Eglinton betwen Yonge and Cowbell Lane, they're backfilling the street now which is to be expected given the notice shwon above and the final rebuilding and repaving of Eglinton along here.
On various stretched of sidewalk and roadway, they've been occasionally ripping out new sections to fix connections with utilities and pavement deficiencies (likely part of the list of things to fix mentioned in prior press releases)
I just went by to the 7-11 not even an hour ago, and its completely surrounded with construction atm, as Cowbell Lane is fully closed from Eglinton while the Salvation Army is being cladded and the previously mentioned work goes on.
It's been an interesting couple years seeing this work go on, which has only reaffirmed my gratefulness for not living any closer to this intersection than I do.
On various stretched of sidewalk and roadway, they've been occasionally ripping out new sections to fix connections with utilities and pavement deficiencies (likely part of the list of things to fix mentioned in prior press releases)
I just went by to the 7-11 not even an hour ago, and its completely surrounded with construction atm, as Cowbell Lane is fully closed from Eglinton while the Salvation Army is being cladded and the previously mentioned work goes on.
It's been an interesting couple years seeing this work go on, which has only reaffirmed my gratefulness for not living any closer to this intersection than I do.
toronto647
Active Member
Anyone have an update when the next Eglinton LRT update will be in November? Also will Phil Vester announce the opening date this time?
Are we still looking at December 2024 as per the reports published?
Are we still looking at December 2024 as per the reports published?
Allandale25
Senior Member
There is a board meeting on November 30th. Since the last update was in September if they did the update on the 30th it would fulfill their update "every two months" commitment.