Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[allengeorge]

But it always was the city's job.
wasnt the project called complete streets eglinton? They have to wait for crosslinx to finish i guess

IIRC “Eglinton Connects” and it’s completely unfunded, regardless of Crosstown completion timeline.

As usual.

EDIT: City of Toronto page: https://www.toronto.ca/city-governm...anning-studies-initiatives/eglinton-connects/

 

[Allandale25]

 

[reinventingthewheel]

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I don’t follow the assumption the sign will be tucked away at the east end, is there something on the diagram denoting “you are here”?

 

[ARG1]

But there is no difference at all between subway and underground LRT, as the bulk of Eglinton will be.

So what will you do then? Have separate symbols for the underground and overground sections of the line? That would also not help.

You say it like it is, its an LRT. You don't get to build an LRT, and pretend that its a subway.

 

[T3G]

You say it like it is, its an LRT. You don't get to build an LRT, and pretend that its a subway.

I think too much emphasis is being placed on the vehicle type in a discussion about signage.

For all intents and purposes, outside of the fact that the interior will have slightly less space than a subway car, the underground section of the Crosstown will behave like a subway. It will be grade separated, underground, and speedy. To those who are not interested in transit, the distinction will be immaterial. Why, then, wouldn't you indicate that it is a subway?

Think of a ride on the Scarborough portion of the line as a ride on the YUS, with its timers and curves precluding any kind of speedy operation throughout most of the inner city.

 

[Bojaxs]

You say it like it is, its an LRT. You don't get to build an LRT, and pretend that its a subway.

Should have just built a subway. Save our selves the confusion.

 

[ARG1]

I think too much emphasis is being placed on the vehicle type in a discussion about signage.

For all intents and purposes, outside of the fact that the interior will have slightly less space than a subway car, the underground section of the Crosstown will behave like a subway. It will be grade separated, underground, and speedy. To those who are not interested in transit, the distinction will be immaterial. Why, then, wouldn't you indicate that it is a subway?

Think of a ride on the Scarborough portion of the line as a ride on the YUS, with its timers and curves precluding any kind of speedy operation throughout most of the inner city.

The Finch West LRT has a single underground station, and beyond that is a simple tramway with frequent stops, which for all intents and purposes is nothing like the existing subway network, and is instead much closer to the existing streetcar network. Even for those not interested in transit, the distinction between LRT and Subway in the context of say, Finch West and the YUS is quite significant. Why, then, wouldn't you indicate it as its own thing?

So its simple to establish the need to have an indicator that separates on street LRTs and Subways, which leaves the question of which Eglinton should be labelled as. And sure, the underground section of the Eglinton Line is fairly similar to a traditional subway, but it still has the tramway surface section, and is technologically far more similar to FW than the YUS, as such labelling it as LRT is not unreasonable.

Its not just FW either, Hurontario will also only have a single underground station (assuming the Brampton Extension won't be tunneled). Are we really going to use the exact same symbol for the YUS and Hurontario, even though they're nothing alike other than they belong in the same vague umbrella of "Rapid Transit"? Maybe we should use the same symbol to label the Viva BRTs since that's also technically Rapid Transit.

 

[T3G]

Finch and Hurontario could both be labelled as streetcars.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Should have just built a subway. Save our selves the confusion.

I think it would have been about the same build time and cost, and we could have used the same rolling stock. Just bore completely underground from end to end.

 

[drum118]

The Finch West LRT has a single underground station, and beyond that is a simple tramway with frequent stops, which for all intents and purposes is nothing like the existing subway network, and is instead much closer to the existing streetcar network. Even for those not interested in transit, the distinction between LRT and Subway in the context of say, Finch West and the YUS is quite significant. Why, then, wouldn't you indicate it as its own thing?

So its simple to establish the need to have an indicator that separates on street LRTs and Subways, which leaves the question of which Eglinton should be labelled as. And sure, the underground section of the Eglinton Line is fairly similar to a traditional subway, but it still has the tramway surface section, and is technologically far more similar to FW than the YUS, as such labelling it as LRT is not unreasonable.

Its not just FW either, Hurontario will also only have a single underground station (assuming the Brampton Extension won't be tunneled). Are we really going to use the exact same symbol for the YUS and Hurontario, even though they're nothing alike other than they belong in the same vague umbrella of "Rapid Transit"? Maybe we should use the same symbol to label the Viva BRTs since that's also technically Rapid Transit.

There are 2 underground stations, Finch West and Humber

Its a streetcar line

I think it would have been about the same build time and cost, and we could have used the same rolling stock. Just bore completely underground from end to end.

Which decade do you expect this subway line to open as tunneling will just be finish in the east end now?. Add an extra 50%+ to the total cost to build it if its for 4 car subway train. If its a 6 car train, add and extra 75%+ in place of 50%=.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Which decade do you expect this subway line to open….

Construction stated in 2011. So, a complete subway should be running sometime around 2028-2030. Given that the actual Mount Dennis to Kennedy section won’t be running until 2025, and from Renforth until the 2030s, this sounds like a fair trade off to get an actual subway. If Scarborough can wait until the 2030s for their stub of a subway extension, and all of us until close to 2040 for the Ontario Line; what’s another few years for the Eglinton?

 

[reinventingthewheel]

Which decade do you expect this subway line to open as tunneling will just be finish in the east end now?

Crosstown tunnelling finished in August 2016. Assuming (if planned for) TBMs continued straight into the extended tunnelling there would be no added ramp up time. Changing the at-grade sections to below-grade would be 6km extra.

At 15 metres per day of tunnelling power you could complete these extensions in 400 days. Even at half the efficiency that’s 2.5 years or about Q1 2019. Crosstown even employed two separate pairs of TBMs, which could have had this done even quicker.

I can’t say anything beyond that about station construction, just putting into perspective what drum said rather exaggeratively. I think it’s fairly valid to say that, if done right, we could have had a whole subway line in the same time frame.

 

[smallspy]

You say it like it is, its an LRT. You don't get to build an LRT, and pretend that its a subway.

They do in Philly. They do in Boston. They do in San Fran.

Why are we so precious?

Dan

 

[M II A II R II K]

It's a low capacity subway with the drag factor of the onstreet section.

 

[Admiral Beez]

They do in Philly. They do in Boston. They do in San Fran.

Why are we so precious?

Dan

Where else does a subway run alongside and share intersections, signals and pedestrian crosswalks with automotive traffic? That’s what makes it a LRT rather than a subway, in my book anyway.