Inkarnate
Active Member
Very nice shots! Will look a sight, I'm sure. 
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ReiwaMagi
Active Member
What do they sound like on acceleration?
Justin10000
Banned
New York City's R160s from what I read on other boards.
the_entian
New Member
So what you're telling me is that people who already have a difficult time getting around, should have their lived made worse by having to wheel there way through a crowd, or rush down a platform to get to a specific car just to be able to get around the city?
You're either very inconsiderate or you really didn't think that through...
Northern Magus
Active Member
Oh this one's a real piece of work -- he once started a thread ranting about how disability accommodations on public transit are a waste of money, discrimination laws be damned.
Unsurprisingly, it was shut down by mods pretty fast.
Unsurprisingly, it was shut down by mods pretty fast.
Justin10000
Banned
He sounds like one of the high floor bus fans boys who blame the disabled for Low Floor buses.
kEiThZ
Superstar
To the extent that a train could look good, these look awesome!
kEiThZ
Superstar
That said. I am genuinely curious why the huge discrepancy between GO and TTC? Also, I am wondering if it would make more sense to have the wheelchair spots in one car...are elevator locations (in relation to the train), relatively consistent throughout the TTC? If so, then I would think it would be more convenient to do this. If not, then I get why there's spots on each car.
dlam
Active Member
when I was in Germany (forgot which city), they had a specific train for assessibility and marking on the platform. they need the operator to put a ramp for the people in wheel chair to get on. i thought that was fine. you really dont need accessibility to all trains. just ones that are closest to the elevator. this makes it easier for people in wheelchair.
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smallspy
Senior Member
That doesn't work in Toronto because the elevators are all over the place. Besides, the subway cars stop close enough to the platform that there is no need for any additional ramp. I have seen people in wheelchairs get into older subway cars without dedicated locations, and they still fit just fine.
Now, GO, on the other hand....
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
dlam
Active Member
ahh i see that you mean now. yea, the accessibility train was always the front/end train. that wouldn't be ideal if elevators in the middle of the platform
Markster
Senior Member
So, what exactly is so horrible about the accessible spots on the train?
I was previously under the impression that they were simply areas which lacked seats, and had straps to lock in to.
Are we complaining that there are a couple fewer seats?
If anything, doesn't this promote more standing-room capacity? I know I've heard of trails in NYC and Japan where they've had seats that fold up so that at rush hour they can fit in more people.
I was previously under the impression that they were simply areas which lacked seats, and had straps to lock in to.
Are we complaining that there are a couple fewer seats?
If anything, doesn't this promote more standing-room capacity? I know I've heard of trails in NYC and Japan where they've had seats that fold up so that at rush hour they can fit in more people.
Markster
Senior Member
So, what exactly is so horrible about the accessible spots on the train?
I was previously under the impression that they were simply areas which lacked seats, and had straps to lock in to.
Are we complaining that there are a couple fewer seats?
If anything, doesn't this promote more standing-room capacity? I know I've heard of trails in NYC and Japan where they've had seats that fold up so that at rush hour they can fit in more people.
I was previously under the impression that they were simply areas which lacked seats, and had straps to lock in to.
Are we complaining that there are a couple fewer seats?
If anything, doesn't this promote more standing-room capacity? I know I've heard of trails in NYC and Japan where they've had seats that fold up so that at rush hour they can fit in more people.
I don't see what the big deal about the extra wheelchair spots is. When not in use by a wheelchair, it's a regular seat, it just happens to fold up. It's not like the wheelchair spots are quardonned off with a velvet rope, and only people in wheelchairs may enter. If someone in a wheelchair happens to get on, and you're sitting in that designated spot, you get up and move. Not the end of the world. And oh no, it cost the TTC an extra $2 to attach a couple hinges to a row of seats so that it folds up! What an outrage!
EDIT: After reading Markster's post, I realized that they are open spaces, not fold-up seats. My point about the velvet rope still stands though.
EDIT: After reading Markster's post, I realized that they are open spaces, not fold-up seats. My point about the velvet rope still stands though.
grey
Senior Member
GO train doors are a large step up from platform level, so GO transit had to build a raised platform with ramps on each platform to accomodate wheelchairs. The location has no relation to the elevators, and I'm sure they would use more accessible cars if the step wasn't an obstacle.
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