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Only the T series cars are fully accessible and the TTC wants to make all of the TTC fully accessible. So if any H's are kept they'd more than likely need a refit to accommodate wheelchairs.
 
M II A II R II K said:
Only the T series cars are fully accessible and the TTC wants to make all of the TTC fully accessible. So if any H's are kept they'd more than likely need a refit to accommodate wheelchairs.
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TTC isn't planning on keeping any H's, except for work cars.

There are currently 306 H's (H4 to H6). And 420 new cars already ordered to be delivered between now and 2015 (and the purchase of another 60 in the budget).

There is no need to make any of the H cars accessible. They will all be gone in a few years.
 
What I don't understand is why you need 24 wheel chair spots a train. Like honestly, have you ever seen even 1 person in a wheel chair get on the subway? Very rarely. Let alone 24? They should have 1 car that has wheel chair accommodation out of the 6. Just like the go train only has one handicap car out of 10. Man the TTC loves wasting money!
 
If some of the H cars aren't broke, why would they need to all be tossed out...

Less TRs could have been bought and spend less upgrading the older working trains.
 
M II A II R II K said:
Less TRs could have been bought and spend less upgrading the older working trains.
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How about this logic:
- they wanted to buy enough TRs such that they could entirely fill the YUS line (with some spares for current and future extensions);
- by having an all-TR YUS, they can implement ATC, significantly improving capacity by reducing headways;
- that would push all T-1s to Bloor-Danforth and Sheppard (unless you wanted the TTC to waste tons of money making the T-1s ATC capable);
- with the T-1s on BD and Sheppard, you've now got excess H series cars.

Without the added capacity of the TRs (~10% per train due to their open concept) plus reduced headways due to ATC (~10 - 20% depending on who you want to believe), what would your plan be for dealing with the over-capacity YUS that would be cheaper and more immediate than buying the TRs they are?
 
StIdes said:
What I don't understand is why you need 24 wheel chair spots a train. Like honestly, have you ever seen even 1 person in a wheel chair get on the subway? Very rarely. Let alone 24? They should have 1 car that has wheel chair accommodation out of the 6. Just like the go train only has one handicap car out of 10. Man the TTC loves wasting money!
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An accessible subway car would have the same capacity if it weren't accessible. The wheelchair area isn't configured differently from the regular seating areas, so i don't see the harm in having all cars available with a wheelchair area. Car pairs don't have to be arranged in a specific way either to accomodate a standard space in the set for an accessible car.

The H6 stock have been retrofitted with accessible seating too.
 
StIdes said:
What I don't understand is why you need 24 wheel chair spots a train. Like honestly, have you ever seen even 1 person in a wheel chair get on the subway? Very rarely. Let alone 24? They should have 1 car that has wheel chair accommodation out of the 6. Just like the go train only has one handicap car out of 10. Man the TTC loves wasting money!
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How much does the wheelchair capability cost per car? When not used to store a wheelchair, what is the impact on space utlization in the car? Given elevator access to platforms are in various places in different stations, how would someone in a wheelchair know where their spot is going to be on a train (keeping in mind that two-car pairs are often shifted around with others to make six-car trains, there is no guarantee you could always have the wheelchair spot in the same place on every train)?
 
StIdes said:
What I don't understand is why you need 24 wheel chair spots a train. Like honestly, have you ever seen even 1 person in a wheel chair get on the subway? Very rarely. Let alone 24? They should have 1 car that has wheel chair accommodation out of the 6. Just like the go train only has one handicap car out of 10. Man the TTC loves wasting money!
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What do you expect when 45% of the stations are none accessibly now. ????

It is not only for scooters, since every few use wheel chairs in the first place. It is also to store strollers and large items.

You need to grow up and have repect for the people who needs these spots. Let see what you have to say if you have to use one??
 
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