Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)

[T3G]

equating the homes and workplaces of hundreds of thousands to ‘basically nothing except for the zoo’ is pretty rude and ignorant

That's a pretty low bar for what constitutes rude and ignorant. Is it also rude and ignorant to characterize remote, far flung communities as 'being in the middle of nowhere', seeing as everywhere is somewhere to someone? It's called using rhetoric to make a point, in this case being that there is not a compelling amount of trip generators in eastern Scarborough to justify a subway. Nowhere did I deny that the suburbs should have good transit or deny the existence of people living there.

I can say far harsher things about the suburbs than I did in that post. I suggest you direct your outrage into more constructive channels.

 

[Garuda]

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This is a great option but I wish the software would allow you to outright block the user so they can't see any of your posts or reactions.

Saves pulling my hair out dealing with the "holier than thou" members on this forum. Not all of us have Phd's in Urban Planning.

 

[NIMBYenthusiast]

I know I have discussed this in the SSE thread but based on current bus routes (which can obviously change) which stations the bus routes terminate at would likely be:

McCowan/Sheppard:
85 Sheppard East
16 McCowan (assuming it is extended north)
129 McCowan North (May continue to STC)
130 Middlefield
131 Nugget
132 Milner
169 Huntingwood
939A/B Finch East Express
920 (Durham Transit)

Scarborough Centre
9 Bellamy
16 McCowan
21 Brimley
38 Highland Creek
43B Kennedy
129 McCowan North (assuming it continues to STC)
133 Neilson Road
134 Progress
178 Brimorton (assuming this route is implemented)
938 Highland Creek Express
996 Wilson Express (Honestly this route should terminate at York Mills, and have a branch of the 995 serve STC)
900 (Durham Transit) (assuming it is extended to STC)
GO Bus Routes (41, 92, 94, 96B) (These could be moved to McCowan/Sheppard if GO and the TTC want)
Intercity Buses (These could be moved to McCowan/Sheppard)

To me the wild cards are the 16/129 McCowan buses as either the 16 will be extended to Sheppard/McCowan (and the 129 cut-back) or the status quo will be maintained with both the 16 and 129 continuing to terminate at STC. The GO and Intercity Buses are also up in the area as they can terminate at either STC or McCowan/Sheppard it just depends on where the intercity bus terminal will be built. Both stations could potentially have DRT connections although the Ellemsere BRT could change how DRT serves Scarborough; would the 920 still run if the BRT was operational and the 900 was extended to STC instead?

It seems to make more since to have 16 McCowan terminate at STC, 129 McCowan North to terminate at Sheppard-McCowan. There wouldn't a lot of demand in that area between the two stations to have those two routes overlap between STC and Sheppard. Having 132 Milner would be good enough to serve the area anyways since Milner is just above the 401, and the STC station would be right below the highway so a connector route won't be necessary.

As for 21 Brimley, if the Sheppard subway ends up having a station at Brimley/Sheppard, it's more likely that they'll cut off the branch that goes straight to STC and have that be replaced by the 43B Kennedy bus, since the station will be closer to McCowan than to Brimley.

Think the 953 Steeles East Express should be added to the list, the TTC released a conceptual bus map back when they were still going with the one stop STC subway and it included having that route terminate at STC. In this case, it'll be wise to have it terminate at Sheppard-McCowan. It will help a lot of commuters from that part of North Scarborough/South Markham with more efficient access to the subway

https://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/201703_scarboroughbusnetwork.jpg

 

[mikey7767]

Hear me on this:


About 2 years ago, the city council decided that the Sheppard East corridor would get LRT and not subway. Then the province said they would not start until 2017. Now, it's after the election. But what if the new city council reopens the sheppard debate, and the decides on the Subway. I think Tory would cave, but what about Chow or Soknancki? A very tiny part of me thinks that after the election city council will want to go back to the Sheppard subway, especially those Councillors out east. It will go from now we have one subway, to why don't we have two like North York? Another issue is if this happens, what does Hudak, or Wynne do then? How do we pay for it?


Discuss.

@denfromoakvillemilton I guess this aged well.

 

[dowlingm]

I haven’t been far enough east on Sheppard to look at it but I have wondered if it is technically feasible to bring the subway to road level under the Stouffville bridge at Agincourt GO. After all, the grade sep was funded as part of the LRT project so presumably reducing the through lanes to two (pushed out to the side walls) was contemplated. In this scenario all side streets between Kennedy and Midland would have to be right in, right out, including the Agincourt GO access itself.

If it was possible - and I acknowledge it would be technically very tricky to do to put it mildly - the savings from a deep bore station and going over the river would presumably be substantial, even once including accessibility and second exits was accounted for, with possibly a staggered platform setup with each direction having its own center platform each side of the span.

 

[dowlingm]

Are there plans for it to stop at the zoo? A place open half the year?

I realize this was a while back but I’ve been catching up on this thread. This is perhaps a minor point Micheal but it does throw some doubt on your knowledge of the area when the Zoo is literally open every single day of the year including Christmas, and this could have been discovered with a 15 second google prior to hitting post.

 

[micheal_can]

I realize this was a while back but I’ve been catching up on this thread. This is perhaps a minor point Micheal but it does throw some doubt on your knowledge of the area when the Zoo is literally open every single day of the year including Christmas, and this could have been discovered with a 15 second google prior to hitting post.

Has that always been the case? For some reason, I thought it was like how Canada's Wonderland was where they are closed more of the winter.

 

[dowlingm]

Has that always been the case? For some reason, I thought it was like how Canada's Wonderland was where they are closed more of the winter.

Again, with a small amount of work you could have found the Zoo’s website on archive.org from 1997 and found that while it was not open on Christmas then, it was open 364 days of the year

Welcome to the Metro Toronto Zoo!

 

[micheal_can]

Again, with a small amount of work you could have found the Zoo’s website on archive.org from 1997 and found that while it was not open on Christmas then, it was open 364 days of the year

Welcome to the Metro Toronto Zoo!

Thank you for that. I really thought it wouldn't be open. Sounds like a visit in the winter is what I need to do.

 

[christiesplits]

With Doug Ford's announcement of a potential 401 tunnel, I expect to see talk of a Sheppard Subway extension to ramp up.

 

[mikey7767]

@T3G Even though you ain't a fan of the Sheppard Subway Extension, I would bet that the subway extension seems like an angelic project compared to a potential highway underground under Highway 401, right?

 

[mikey7767]

Okay, so I bet you folks already knew this and I'm the one that's behind, but the underground highway isn't just something that Ford casually proposed, they actually are serious about this and launched a technical inquiry into and are actually planning for and potentially budgeting for.

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[PL1]

Okay, so I bet you folks already knew this and I'm the one that's behind, but the underground highway isn't just something that Ford casually proposed, they actually are serious about this and launched a technical inquiry into and are actually planning for and potentially budgeting for.

Ontario Newsroom

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Madness.

 

[afransen]

Okay, so I bet you folks already knew this and I'm the one that's behind, but the underground highway isn't just something that Ford casually proposed, they actually are serious about this and launched a technical inquiry into and are actually planning for and potentially budgeting for.

Ontario Newsroom

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It has not yet been budgeted for.

 

[oakvilleBee]

Okay, so I bet you folks already knew this and I'm the one that's behind, but the underground highway isn't just something that Ford casually proposed, they actually are serious about this and launched a technical inquiry into and are actually planning for and potentially budgeting for.

Ontario Newsroom

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IMO they are only pretending to be serious. This thing will never be built (at least not within any of our lifetimes). Even the most pro-highway people could easily find many other projects that offer way better value for money (subsidize trucks on the 407 anyone?). As another poster wrote on the 401 tunnel thread, it's purely political theatre.

Trying to stay on topic, as an alternative to burning cash on a 401 tunnel, I'd rather see a Sheppard subway from Pearson to Malvern. More realistically, why is more attention not given to extending Sheppard west to Jane? I bet Oakdale Golf Club would love to sell off some land at the SW corner of Jane/Sheppard which could become super dense.