chrisw
Active Member
Woah, a Sheppard East Subway extension will be faster and have more capacity than an at grade LRT. The LRT will be marginally better than buses
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Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)
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sixrings
Senior Member
People in Scarborough are trying to get out of Scarborough as fast as possible. Preferably underground as well so they don’t need to see the place they chose as home.Sheppard west extension makes sense however Scarborough needs to prioritize the Eglinton east LRT extension over a Sheppard east subway extension. People in Scarborough need a way to move around inside Scarborough, the LRT will help do that. The Sheppard east subway extension would probably end up as a three or four stop extension at best to justify its cost. Not worth it.
Also LRTs are basically buses. That’s why Hamilton, Mississauga, Waterloo, finch are building them. All places with no vision.
NIV
New Member
I agree, if you’re looking to get out of Scarborough asap you’re going will have two great subway options. Moving around inside Scarborough will still be a major headache, just ask the people taking the replacement RT bus.
sixrings
Senior Member
When the two subway extensions make Scarborough urban utopia and a place where people want to be then we build the LRT so Scarborough people can look outside and be proud of their decisions.I agree, if you’re looking to get out of Scarborough asap you’re going will have two great subway options. Moving around inside Scarborough will still be a major headache, just ask the people taking the replacement RT bus.
Aplus23
Active Member
Sheppard west extension makes sense however Scarborough needs to prioritize the Eglinton east LRT extension over a Sheppard east subway extension. People in Scarborough need a way to move around inside Scarborough, the LRT will help do that. The Sheppard east subway extension would probably end up as a three or four stop extension at best to justify its cost. Not worth it.
Why wouldn't you want to do both.
Sheppard would provide a northern crosstown line, crossing Scarborough North York and getting into the west.
The Eglinton lrt would be more like a local route as you suggest. Both are needed for a connected network
NIV
New Member
Ideally both do get done, I would just prioritize EELRT over the Sheppard east extension.Why wouldn't you want to do both.
Sheppard would provide a northern crosstown line, crossing Scarborough North York and getting into the west.
The Eglinton lrt would be more like a local route as you suggest. Both are needed for a connected network
Northern Light
Superstar
Ideally both do get done, I would just prioritize EELRT over the Sheppard east extension.
For reasons well discussed, I oppose the EELRT entirely.
In brief, the analysis indicates it will perform no better in travel time than the current bus service. There is absolutely a need for better transit to UTSC and other parts of eastern Scarborough, but we need to go
back to the drawing board and revisit what that looks like in this case.
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sixrings
Senior Member
Correct. I think we should do both. Spend every last transit dime in Scarborough. Money well spent and surely every other area of the city doesn’t need transit anyways.Why wouldn't you want to do both.
Sheppard would provide a northern crosstown line, crossing Scarborough North York and getting into the west.
The Eglinton lrt would be more like a local route as you suggest. Both are needed for a connected network
NIV
New Member
LRT’s are faster than busses because they have a dedicated right of way with fewer stops. I also like subways but don’t see a subway coming to UTSC in my lifetime..
sixrings
Senior Member
Maybe a subway extension to UTM for those privileged westenders.LRT’s are faster than busses because they have a dedicated right of way with fewer stops. I also like subways but don’t see a subway coming to UTSC in my lifetime..
Northern Light
Superstar
LRT’s are faster than busses because they have a dedicated right of way with fewer stops. I also like subways but don’t see a subway coming to UTSC in my lifetime..
Please don't say things like the above.
You clearly have not read the applicable studies.
The Eglinton bus here already has its stops rationalized, it has semi-reserved lanes, and studies clearly show no improvement with the change in mode here.
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Yes, an LRT can perform better than a bus in many cases, but this one will not, and that is the problem.
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Aplus23
Active Member
Correct. I think we should do both. Spend every last transit dime in Scarborough. Money well spent and surely every other area of the city doesn’t need transit anyways.
Go away, troll somewhere else or with someone else. Scarborough is the most transit deprived area in the city... Please never respond to me again
sixrings
Senior Member
As a former Scarborough resident I agree with you. The lack of transit in Scarborough is 100% an attack on the people out there by the downtown bike riding Starbucks drinking pinkos. Last time I was in Scarborough I did have the privilege of going through a Starbucks drive thru. So things are improving. Starbucks for everyone. Trains for the elite.Go away, troll somewhere else or with someone else. Scarborough is the most transit deprived area in the city... Please never respond to me again
Btw loved my years in Scarborough and miss the two arcades in one plaza at Brimley and Eglinton.
NIV
New Member
I’m talking about looking at Scarborough 10-20 years down the road when these systems might come into operation if we’re lucky. . Scarborough’s population is exploding just like the rest of the GTA. Dedicated bus lanes might work now but are not a long term solution for an expanding ScarboroughPlease don't say things like the above.
You clearly have not read the applicable studies.
The Eglinton bus here already has its stops rationalized, it has semi-reserved lanes, and studies clearly show no improvement with the change in mode here.
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Yes, an LRT can perform better than a bus in many case, but this one will not, and that is the problem.
Northern Light
Superstar
I’m talking about looking at Scarborough 10-20 years down the road when these systems might come into operation if we’re lucky. . Scarborough’s population is exploding just like the rest of the GTA. Dedicated bus lanes might work now but are not a long term solution for an expanding Scarborough
There's no disagreeing w/that; the point is that the EELRT, as currently designed is not the solution.