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typezed said:
Not only temporary municipal politics nonsense. It's a company solely owned by a family that has over the years intersected with drugs, crime, gangs, violence, white supremacists. We just don't know the degree. And they're idiots. As more is revealed about these people I don't know why anyone would want to associate with their company. Can't be that hard to source labels. But then perhaps many companies and their ownership families are dirtier than we expect, so no big deal, best price wins.
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You should look into the history of Bayer and BASF. You probably use their products everyday like most people; there are periods in the history of those companies - specifically in WWI and WWII - that are very dark to say the least. Point is it's utterly delusional to think Deco's customers are in any way going to be negatively affected by their association with Deco.
 
uptown said:
You should look into the history of Bayer and BASF. You probably use their products everyday like most people; there are periods in the history of those companies - specifically in WWI and WWII - that are very dark to say the least. Point is it's utterly delusional to think Deco's customers are in any way going to be negatively affected by their association with Deco.
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Tell that to tiger woods and oscar pistorius' sponsors!
 
rndhd said:
Actually they do have validity. The issue is that they are not infallible so to use them to definitively say "true!" or "lie!" is pretty shaky.
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From what I understand, police don't actually pay attention to the results of lie detector tests. They only use them to provoke confessions. It's done by putting on an act in front of the suspect: looking at the machine, shaking their heads, asking the suspect "are you sure you want to stick with that answer?" They try to make the suspect feel as nervous as possible and scare a confession out of them.
 
Coupla things:

John Tory was pretty pointed in his commentary. Not timid at all. "Disgrace", he said, I believe. And though it fits both narratives (Tory: City needs change., Ford(s): It's a conspiratorial troika of Tory, Blair and Pringle, out to get us, etc.) the no holds barred response from Tory was made with a a degree of confidence that could, plausibly, suggest foreknowledge.

The other thing is, Rob said he'd done nothing illegal. Which is plainly delusional having admitted to or been observed doing several things which are clearly against laws we all have to obey. So, what does Rob Ford consider a serious offence? Murder? Is he basically saying "I haven't done anything really, really bad."

I, too, get the sense the implosion is near.
 
DSC said:
From today's Montreal Gazette:

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford is telling Canada's big city mayors to choose sides in the next federal election or stop complaining about infrastructure funding issues.

The controversial, blunt-spoken mayor blew into the capital Wednesday with his trademark bull-in-a-china-shop style, wowing crowds of autograph and photo seekers, scrumming twice with reporters and generally knocking a scheduled meeting of the Big City Mayors' Caucus off its moorings.

"I got along well with all the mayors. I didn't think I was a distraction," Ford told his second scrum of the morning at the first Federation of Canadian Municipalities meeting he has ever attended. Jim Watson, the host Ottawa mayor, jokingly tried to fob a French-language question regarding Ford onto a francophone colleague, but then responded diplomatically.

Not so several Quebec mayors, including Montreal mayor and former federal Liberal cabinet minister Denis Coderre.

"We don't talk to him," Coderre said at a news conference. "We don't want to have anything to do with him. We don't want to be associated to him."

Quebec City Mayor Régis Labeaume was even more direct. "I don't want to be associated in any form to this man. How could I explain to my people in Quebec City and to my children that I work, collaborate, with a guy who, during his mandate, smoked crack, you know?" Ford had previously dismissed the group as the "lefty caucus," and he made it clear Wednesday he wasn't entirely back onside.

The mayors of the biggest cities are nearly united in their concern that a $14-billion, 10-year federal infrastructure plan announced this month by Prime Minister Stephen Harper falls short of the country's massive needs.

Ford had another take. "Not all of us agreed on that, but I'm not here to ridicule the Conservative government. I think they've treated Toronto well, and I told them my feelings."

Ford has been a key municipal ally of the Harper Conservatives - or at least he was until he admitted to using crack cocaine in a "drunken stupor," delivered a lewd rant in front of TV cameras and became an international punch line.

Last fall, Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty made a big show of presenting Ford with more than $600 million for a municipal subway extension that remains a matter of hot debate in Canada's largest city.

Ford said he told the other mayors to back a federal party, as he has.

"So I said, 'Listen, take a stand. In the next federal election, take a stand. Either you're going to support (Tom) Mulcair and the NDP or you're going to vote (Justin) Trudeau and the Liberals or you're going to vote for the new leader of the Bloc,' " Ford told reporters.

"'But don't sit there and complain if you're not going to take a stand.' " Ford then left for a private itinerary rather than lunch with his fellow mayors. He said he planned to tour the city but returned instead to hear from Candice Bergen, the federal cabinet minister responsible for housing.

The reaction of his fellow municipal leaders ranged from good-humoured acceptance to seething anger.

"We're glad to have a great showing of mayors," Gregor Robertson of Vancouver, the meeting's chairman, said diplomatically when asked about Ford's presence. "It's good to see so many in the room together."

Ford's infamy certainly didn't deter a group of adolescent schoolboys who roared their approval when the Toronto mayor emerged from the morning meeting into a gauntlet of microphones and news cameras.

After speaking to reporters, Ford waded through the throng to have photos taken with the teenagers.

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi emerged after the Ford circus had moved on and said it was not true that Ford had been a polarizing figure in the meeting.

"It was very helpful to have him there today," Nenshi said. "He made some very helpful interventions on housing and on transit."

And housing - specifically, a $1.7-billion federal fund set to expire next year - and municipal infrastructure were the headline policies of the meeting.
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DSC and everyone: Interesting read about Rob Ford attending Canada's Mayors Conference...

I find it interesting how he is either ignored or listened to by his peers - at least he did attend being officially the Mayor of Toronto...

I was wondering about that C$14 billion infrastructure plan for Cities: Will Toronto have to fight for its fair share or will Toronto get
a significant funding share in any case being Canada's largest City?

How would a competent Toronto Mayor - Norm Kelly for example - have fared attending this Conference?

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"I've done nothing illegal, except purchase and ingest the illegal drugs I already admitted to...."

What “ingestible” illegal substances are we taking about?

Les Nessman said:
NOBODY boycotts Deco......CAPICHE!
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Surely you mean "Nobody puts Dougie, er, Baby in a corner."

rndhd said:
Actually they do have validity. The issue is that they are not infallible so to use them to definitively say "true!" or "lie!" is pretty shaky.
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Retina scans are pretty accurate.
 
I can't believe Paiken didn't press Doug on his billion-dollar savings BS. Is he worried he's going to be accused of bias? A buddy of mine remarked that it might as well be LeDrew lobbing softballs. This is even worse than the Mansbridge interview.
 
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EagleEye said:
I think Paikin has done a good job. Doug is a joke.
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I suppose he doesn't really need to do much. Doug is going to sound like an idiot regardless. But the myth that Ford has been an effective, fiscally responsible mayor who's saved the city all this money still seems to be a commonly held belief that's rarely even questioned.
 
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Jimmi T said:
I wasn't sure if today's commotion was confidence on the part of the Fords or a freak out. Apparently it's the latter. They're freaking out about what police have found on Sandro's phone.
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Tory commenting that this is a "disgrace" - and I am a Chow supporter - tells me the game is over. Ford will be lucky with 10% come October if his signage doesn't include an orange jump suit.
 
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