junior43
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I was being polite with that word.........in this context it was completely justified. I don't use them here often, but some people's actions deserve them.
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I was being polite with that word.........in this context it was completely justified. I don't use them here often, but some people's actions deserve them.
Torontovibe
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He's probably worried about not being allowed back in the USA and since Chicago is his real home, that could be a problem.
newearthling
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That may indeed be the case, but we still don't need to read that, do we? I just think that is language for your friends, not anonymous people on the interwebs.
The advent of the internet has really led to the decline of societal discourse in terms of sentence construction...even word construction!
I just know I would never swear in front of people I didn't know ( I rarely swear in front of people I do know) and the internet is full of people I don't know.
Edit: This is not just directed at you of course Junior 43. It is a hope I have in general, to find places where civil discourse still thrives.
Also, if you would like to share some of your stories that you have heard, as they could possibly relate to surveillance, I am sure everyone would appreciate it.
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freshcutgrass
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...with special guest star...Toronto City Council as Saddam Hussein
thisiszacharygray
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has this found it's way onto the forum yet? apparently ms. doolittle is also a figure skater.
[video=youtube_share;60fjbnMKwGA]http://youtu.be/60fjbnMKwGA?t=37s&hd=1[/video]
go rams! huh, don't think i said that once during my four years there… skip to :40 for doolittle.
[video=youtube_share;60fjbnMKwGA]http://youtu.be/60fjbnMKwGA?t=37s&hd=1[/video]
go rams! huh, don't think i said that once during my four years there… skip to :40 for doolittle.
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voxpopulicosmicum
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1970-83 born FTW!
voxpopulicosmicum
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Doesn't the ITO reveal the number to have belonged to a Dixon-area Somali woman who is the relative of one of the guys charged in Project Traveller who refused to talk to police when they sought to interview him?
And doesn't the ITO also say that Price told police that a lot of locals would have had his business card because he had been giving it out over the previous few weeks in the Dixon area?
To me, that says that Price was principally hired to work with Lisi to canvas the Dixon area to find the video, and in the course of canvassing (or having Lising canvas), the anonymous tipper got Price's number. Does that scan?
One Nut Kruk
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I do, and I suspect most people do -- though the wrapper is often the problem. I think the problem lots of people have with many gays is imagery from pride parades, that is engrained in their memories. All footage and pictures I've seen from such events are alienating to me, and many others. From what I've seen -- for the most part -- the people that partake in the parade appear to be extremely obnoxious, shallow and narcissistic (I don't care for people with these traits; gay or straight -- though my comment about Wynne's face is admittedly, shallow). From my experience, it is examples such as those that turn a lot of society off gay people. Obviously not all gay people fit into this mold (many straight people do as well), but this is an example of why I think Pride is terrible. It does nothing to snuff out these stereotypes -- it makes them stronger. Looking at media influence -- what good is a television program like 1 Girl, 5 Gays? It's the most pathetic thing I've ever watched. Perhaps such stereotypes exist because they are encouraged and glorified? What effort is made to extinguish them? It's easy to say that straight people should know better, but a large part of the problem is Pride, media and politically correct culture; in my view. Both sides are at fault, however. On one hand it's as if some gays are saying that their sexual orientation is no one's business, yet they make it everyone's business at events like Pride and certain television shows, etc... I have no interest in having friendships with men who walk around naked, and or scantily dressed (somehow avoiding lewd conduct charges). I think the majority of society would feel much greater comfort and happiness around gay people if there wasn't such a vocal, vulgar minority. I would gladly like to speak with someone like Kevin Spacey or Rock Hudson (if he were still alive). Anyone who is so openly sexual is irritating to me. Sexuality is a deeply private matter, and I don't want to share mine with others, nor do I want to know about others sexual encounters or what turns them on; and that goes for aggressively sexual straight people as well. Sexuality/orientation is also such a small aspect of who were are as humans. Why should anyone care that I'm straight, or that Ricky Martin is gay? It's irrelevant. We're human and we share the same emotions. I feel there is no reason for anyone to be so forward with who they like to sleep with -- that's only important to oneself. Aren't gays largely accepted by the public now? You'll never get everyone on board. Is Pride really achieving anything at this point, or is it not just an excuse to party and have one off encounters with fellow gays? You're going to get certain "offensive" reactions when you behave in a particular manner -- that's human nature. People need to be accountable for how they act. But I don't suspect Pride will ever be toned down, nor will it disappear -- so the usual stereotypes will persist. Don't just blame straight people for not "getting out enough". How you're perceived by some is also due to your own actions and attitudes. That's the end of this discussion. I didn't want to get into this.
Rob, take it away.
Yeah, "whatever". I guess that absolves him?
Don't tell me what to do. If you've paid attention to the picture section of the forum, I have contributed a lot of photos (mostly taken by others -- some mine) and I did start the Towns at Don Mills thread. Not to toot my own horn -- nor is that really impressive or significant -- but trolls don't offer anything worthwhile. Do you think labeling me one is going to make me feel intimidated? And I do have some insight into the lives of many gay people. I come from a medical family who have treated many gay men with AIDS. Through conversations with them (patients) -- that said family had -- mention of poor relationships with their fathers was often discussed. That's not to say that gay people never come from good homes. But don't act so sure of yourself and when you don't know where I come from and what I know. I'm by no means an expert on gay issues -- nor do I have very much first hand experience -- but I do have some insight into the lives of some poor souls that are no longer alive. One of which wasn't even gay, but he prostituted himself out to men and ended up getting HIV; and it stemmed from a terrible relationship he had with his mother. She treated him horribly, and he felt worthless because of it. He was kicked out his home and ended up involving himself in this underworld, because he was desperate for money. And now he is gone.
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junior43
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No apologies for it, this is the kindest word I have for her. Anyone that hears the story calls her far worse.
As for stories of surveillance, no way. Not everything I had to do was legal and I'm not leaving it out here on the interwebs. And what I've heard is not going anywhere since it was told to me in confidence.
OSS 117
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Come on, kid. At least guys like Cowboy Logic and Picard-what's-his-face have the sense to lay low during the most embarrassing weeks.
Kat_YYZ
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junior43: I totally agree with you, I wouldn't want to see them act prematurely and lose everything. you can't try someone for the same thing twice if they're acquitted.
On the one hand, it seems weird to say "the investigation is still ongoing" because, well, everything is out in the open, the "undercover" operation has been revealed. To most people, it doesn't seem likely that they can now "catch" anyone doing anything.
On the other hand, if anyone is dumb and arrogant enough to pull something illegal after they learn that they're the subject of a police investigation, it's the Fords!
On the one hand, it seems weird to say "the investigation is still ongoing" because, well, everything is out in the open, the "undercover" operation has been revealed. To most people, it doesn't seem likely that they can now "catch" anyone doing anything.
On the other hand, if anyone is dumb and arrogant enough to pull something illegal after they learn that they're the subject of a police investigation, it's the Fords!
Peepers
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I have been off the forum since yesterday at noon and am only getting caught up on all the latest posts. I see my name has been mentioned quite a few times
LOL! Special thanks to CowboyLogic for his thoughtful comments and also for those who defended me by saying I am not a troll. As for this article from Daniel Stein who I see is a former criminal lawyer turned writer his comments sound like talking points from Bill Blair's mouthpiece - Mark Pugash.
Some of the comments he makes that I would take issue with:
First off how could police ever "secure" a video file? An infinite number of copies could have been made and they could be anywhere in the world. Furthermore these files can be encrypted using software that is impossible to crack. In the digital age it is impossible to "secure" a computer file.
Secondly - if they had evidence that the Mayor was being extorted why not move in and arrest the extortionists before the mayor is "tempted" to give in and become a victim (talk about blaming the victim!) ?
By way of wire-taps police were aware in late March that:
a) the mayors phone had been stolen
b) the identity of the person who stole the phone
c) the person in possession of the phone made the statement that they could use the crack video against the mayor
d) instructions were exchanged between drug dealers to counter the mayors offer of $5,000 cash and a car with a demand for "150" (which police interpreted as $150,000).
What you have in the above bullet-points (all admissible in a court of law) is a clear cut case of extortion. Why didn't police move-in in March and make an arrest of the extortionists? Instead they spent the next six month's watching and listening as the mayor fell deeper into the grips of the Somali Pirates?
Stein repeats this police talking point:
Of course police are getting advice from Crown attorneys. This is what police do in any major case before laying charges. The problem is this. The crown can only review evidence that has been collected and Toronto Police failed to collect the most important evidence - the physical evidence proving that the mayor was in possession of an illegal drug.
Wire taps of Somali drug lords talking about selling Ford drugs and even the crack video itself have zero evidentiary value. They would never hold up in a court of law. They needed to catch Ford with the goods.
Perhaps the best opportunity that the Police had to bust Ford was on the evening of 4/20 when police overheard on wiretaps a call being made from the crack den at 15 Windsor to drug dealers in the Dixon Rd complex.
A female caller said the mayor was in the home and he ordered some drugs. Keep in mind that police are listening to these wiretaps LIVE in real time - not as recording's the next day.
Based on these conversations police could have obtained an emergency warrant and raided the home within minutes. If anyone but the mayor was involved police would not have hesitated to storm the house. Someone very high up the chain of command must have given an order to stand down. Who was that person (Blair?) and why did they give the order?
When this happened in late April of this year the mayor was probably not suspicious that police were tailing him. Police cannot make the same lame excuse that they could not "risk making an arrest" in case it was a "set-up".
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GeekGirl
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This is patently untrue. I hear this all the time from police and their friends. Blah blah justice is colour and class blind..... and not one reputable criminologist will believe you either, because it is simply not true, no matter how many cop friends you have.
The Golem
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It seems that the Fords have used the police as their personal security force for so long that even the police have accepted that as their role.
Conrad Black
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^ Indeed.
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