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Rob Ford - Why the Supervillian?

By a 'certain segment' I was mostly referring to conservative partisan types.

That said, I agree with jn_12's post whole heartedly, but a nagging part of me still feels the need to ask him when the last time he went to South Etobicoke or Scarborough or any neighbourhood north of the 401. I'm increasingly concerned with the growing disconnect between downtown and the suburbs. In short, I think downtown residents want their neighbourhoods to be cultural destinations. Suburban residents, though, might just want their neighbourhoods to be inexpensive.
 
Mad because they think taxes are higher, mad because they hate bike lanes, mad because they drive cars and see no need to spend money on transit ... yes, these folks exist ...
 
How's your quality of life though? I've only lived in Toronto for 4 years now and honestly, if you've lived elsewhere and move here you'll be amazed at not just the services (my hometown of 50,000 people doesn't have a single community centre and I can count on one hand the number of parks in the city that aren't school yards) that are available but the quality of life people have here. Unfortunately, it means you have to pay taxes, but I'd be willing to wager that a substantial decrease in your taxes would result in a correspondingly substantial decrease in the quality of this city. it's none of my business how much you pay, but what percentage of what you currently pay would you deem fair considering the services you and other Torontonians receive? We also live in a country where we believe in a certain level of socialism, which I think we should be proud of. It's because of that that this city is very safe, welcoming and vibrant. I actually look forward to making enough money where I'll be able to own a house and in turn make my contribution. Even in the 4 years I've been here the city has grown immensely and i've seen my own quality of life go up simply because of the efforts of the city. Perhaps that sounds absurd to you, but go live in a place like Welland for a year (if you're not utterly depressed by it in a few months) and I guarentee you'll be thankful you're paying for such a city to exist.

Also, we're talking about a multi-billion dollar corporation and when you're dealing with something that large, there will always be extras thrown in the budget, but things like funds for councillor's offices are so minute in the grand scheme of things that they don't really even register and to be honest, I expect that some tax dollars (at every level) will go to things like, you know, pizza lunches to boost staff morale. This idea that you should get out exactly what you put in is so far from reality, yet so easy for those who are "champions of the taxpayer" to bleet that I kinda have to role my eyes at it whenever people or politicians bring up things like that.

EDIT: I'll add, I guess all of this makes me not understand what people are angry about. It's not like Toronto is a horrible place to live in, nor is it even close to it. Toronto is an awesome city to live in and from what I've seen the city seems to have taken considerable steps forward over the last ten years since amalgamation. I spent my summers here from 2004 to 2006 before moving here in 2007 and I've seen so much growth and so many improvements in those 6 years that I just don't understand the anger. Are people really that angry about a garbage strike and people making a decent living wage? I'm not. You know, every city has its issues, but ours are of the good kind and all stem from a desire to become a greater city. I'm pretty thankful that we don't have the issues of a Cleveland or a Detroit and so on. All the backlash just seems so contrived and someone from outside this city must think that this place must have become a shithole over the last couple years based on all this anger. I just don't get it.

This explains your perception. only 4 years in T.O.
You think quality of life in Toronto prior to Miller was bad?

Toronto pre-miller was as lovely a place as it is now, minus random taxes and out of control spending. We even managed to build a small section of subway!

If you're even comparing Toronto to Detroit and Cleveland, and WELLAND.. lol then you really have a very narrow understanding of what keeps this city going and the real drivers, from federal/provincial statutes to the social-economic and cutural wealth this city draws from. NOT the municipal government for sure.
 
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Mad because they think taxes are higher, mad because they hate bike lanes, mad because they drive cars and see no need to spend money on transit ... yes, these folks exist ...

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By a 'certain segment' I was mostly referring to conservative partisan types.

That said, I agree with jn_12's post whole heartedly, but a nagging part of me still feels the need to ask him when the last time he went to South Etobicoke or Scarborough or any neighbourhood north of the 401. I'm increasingly concerned with the growing disconnect between downtown and the suburbs. In short, I think downtown residents want their neighbourhoods to be cultural destinations. Suburban residents, though, might just want their neighbourhoods to be inexpensive.
South Etobicoke - in the spring, Scarborough - every weekend in the winter and neighbourhood N of 401 - twice a week or so. I don't think that's enough to get a sense of what things are like in those places though. I know there are cultural/political differences between suburbs and downtown, but I can't speak for them. I can only tell of my experience.

This explains your perception. only 4 years in T.O.
You think quality of life in Toronto prior to Miller was bad?

Toronto pre-miller was as lovely a place as it is now, minus random taxes and out of control spending. We even managed to build a small section of subway!

If you're even comparing Toronto to Detroit and Cleveland, and WELLAND.. lol then you really have a very narrow understanding of what keeps this city going and the real drivers, from federal/provincial statutes to the social-economic and cutural wealth this city draws from. NOT the municipal government for sure.
First, I never said it was bad pre-Miller. But since 2004 (as I outlined above) I've spent considerable time in Toronto (thanks to my gf moving here in 2003) and I've seen immense growth in that time. I'm assuming that that continues from the point where Lastman left off and that things weren't bad before, but are better now (Things that are good can be improved upon). We're getting new streetcars and subway cars, new transit lines proposed, the waterfront progressing, massive developments in the downtown core, Nuit Blanche, Luminato, Cultural renaissance (ROM, AGO, opera house...) and so on. I'm not saying Miller is responsible for all of that, nor do I care who is responsible for it. My point is, look at all the positive stuff that has happened over the last 7 years (that list above is just a small part) and tell me that 1) the city hasn't improved and 2) none of those are worth spending money on. I think things have improved greatly since I first came to Toronto and the additional taxes are helping contribute to that. We live in one of the richest places in one of the richest countries in the world. People need to get over this fear of taxes and pay more attention to the quality of life this city provides. Hell, I'd argue we need more taxes, not less if we want this city to reach its full potential.

Also, not that it matters but your subway that was built without additional taxes was a subway that was built because of Lastman's relationship with Harris. We also had a subway filled in. So I wouldn't put too much stock in something like that. It had little to do with the taxation policies of the city. Maybe if we had of had a more progressive view on taxation during Lastman's time in office, we could have paid for Eglinton ourselves. We'll never know.

I don't have a narrow understanding of this city. I have a BA in politics and a Masters in Planning, thanks. You obviously somehow overlooked the tone of my post. People are angry in this city and if I didn't know anything about Toronto and just heard about and read about all of this anger I would think it was a shithole like Detroit, Cleveland or yes Welland. If people here are angry then the rest of the world must be in flames. All of this anger just doesn't add up and that was my point.
 
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The only role that you defined was one of someone to 'screw up the city. To which you said that " that you actually need a politician for that role". While I am usually last one to be in the position to correct grammar, as I might be the worst offender, I just thought it was funny.


should have read .....

Perhaps we need an anti-politician to screw up the city for 4 years, to prove to "middle Toronto" that you actually need a politician prevent that.

Yeah, silly me. When I said "that role" I guess I was implicitly referring to the role of mayor.

Time to add a grammar checker to UBB...
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/art...e-in-city-s-northwest-end-gets-a-lift#article

Probably another 10,000 votes for Rob Ford lol.

This council seems to continue to feed to RF's anti-government sentiment.

If RF becomes mayor, you only have the current administration to blame.

OK, that one in particular does not seem to resonate with my Anti-Ford side (I don't have one... I'm role-playing... I even dusted off my old AD&D handbooks and everything!)

The article clearly mentions that the city won't be on the hook for the costs, that the BIA will recoup them. Plus, the whole thing is for a "public square" and not some little SIG which only affects a handful of people.

If that's the most wasteful thing going on, then we don't really have a problem.
 
Toronto is about to become a very mediocre city that strives for nothing thanks to the confused and easily manipulated voters of this city. We were on such a roll for the last decade despite the recession too. It's a shame.
Who needs parks or transit when you have TV and a car? The public has spoken.
 
Toronto is about to become a very mediocre city that strives for nothing thanks to the confused and easily manipulated voters of this city. We were on such a roll for the last decade despite the recession too. It's a shame.
Who needs parks or transit when you have TV and a car? The public has spoken.

Wow, I must've totally zoned out. When was the election?
 

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