Roads: Scarlett Road / CP Rail Bridge EA

[drum118]

There were 5 plans for the 512 with this bridge.

1: Would see 512 going east on Dundas to Dundas West Station and a faster route to get the cars in/out of service. Would require a new EA for Dundas since all the existing tracks have been removed.

2: Taking 512 west on Dundas to Kipling in phases.

3: Having a loop at Scarlett on the west side as Phase 1 for Dundas plans.

4: 3 plus running the line up Scarlett to the airport.

5: 1 & 2 and running 512 over the Humber on a new bridge on the north side and going up Islington or what every.

Anything on Dundas would have to be mix traffic and with Six Point change, the west option is most likely dead now.

2008-10 was to see an EA to extend 512 west, but defer until there was a full year operation of the new ROW. Then Ford came to power and has been dead since then. No idea were it is today.

The City was to buy up property between Gunns Loop and Jane St as it came up for sale to widen St Clair at a future date and no idea if the city has been doing this.

The Dundas intersection has always been a bitch regardless as a driver or pedestrian.

 

[W. K. Lis]

5a: Run the 512 in mixed traffic up Scarlett Road from St. Clair Avenue West to the Scarlett Road stop on the Eglinton West LRT. Would not be able to use the LRT tracks because of different track gauges, of course.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

Whatever the City is planning to do for the 512 here, consultations are the opportunity to push for answers and action.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The OP has the ROW for St Clair as 30m from Gunns to Runnymede, 27m from Jane to Runnymede. Means that whenever a property files a site plan along that stretch, part of the property will be conveyed to the city to allow for the road widening. The current ROW is 20m.

 

[W. K. Lis]

There were 5 plans for the 512 with this bridge.

1: Would see 512 going east on Dundas to Dundas West Station and a faster route to get the cars in/out of service. Would require a new EA for Dundas since all the existing tracks have been removed.

2: Taking 512 west on Dundas to Kipling in phases.

3: Having a loop at Scarlett on the west side as Phase 1 for Dundas plans.

4: 3 plus running the line up Scarlett to the airport.

5: 1 & 2 and running 512 over the Humber on a new bridge on the north side and going up Islington or what every.

Anything on Dundas would have to be mix traffic and with Six Point change, the west option is most likely dead now.

2008-10 was to see an EA to extend 512 west, but defer until there was a full year operation of the new ROW. Then Ford came to power and has been dead since then. No idea were it is today.

The City was to buy up property between Gunns Loop and Jane St as it came up for sale to widen St Clair at a future date and no idea if the city has been doing this.

The Dundas intersection has always been a bitch regardless as a driver or pedestrian.

The 40 JUNCTION bus should be replaced by a streetcar. The south terminal would be a rebuilt DUNDAS WEST STATION and the north terminal could be a on-street loop shared with the extended 512 ST. CLAIR streetcar. A counter-clockwise on-street loop on Jane, St. Clair, Scarlett and Dundas would handle both streetcar routes.

The 512 could be split. With a 512C short-turn at GUNNS LOOP, and the 512B would continue to JANE & SCARLETT, and maybe a 512A continuing up Scarlett Road to a SCARLETT ROAD stop on the EGLINTON WEST LRT (Canadian Ukrainian Memorial Park loop at La Rose Avenue & Scarlett Road).

 

[Towered]

These are all great ideas that need to be pushed forward. A plan to rebuild this important bridge with no thought given to necessary transit expansion for the sake of the wider network is pure folly. The 512 needs to be extended to Scarlett, and should then split into 2 lines - one going along Dundas all the way to Kipling station, and the other going up Scarlett in a ROW to Dixon, where it will then go west along Dixon to the airport.

 

[Allandale25]

Can anyone enlighten me on where this EA stands? Is it done and the project is waiting for funding? Or is it already included in the City's capital plan for year X?

 

[drum118]

Can anyone enlighten me on where this EA stands? Is it done and the project is waiting for funding? Or is it already included in the City's capital plan for year X?

The EA is approved for the bridge and was to be built years ago, but getting push back until 2018/19 due to funding issues.

 

[innsertnamehere]

A render on the cities website:

https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe...infrastructure-projects/scarlett-road-bridge/

 

[Allandale25]

Found the public meeting notice.

 

[Kitsune]

I'm assuming the underpass is not going to be available during construction? Leading to a bit of a traffic nightmare.

 

[W. K. Lis]

These are all great ideas that need to be pushed forward. A plan to rebuild this important bridge with no thought given to necessary transit expansion for the sake of the wider network is pure folly. The 512 needs to be extended to Scarlett, and should then split into 2 lines - one going along Dundas all the way to Kipling station, and the other going up Scarlett in a ROW to Dixon, where it will then go west along Dixon to the airport.

The big problem is that it passes by Rob Ford's old homestead on Edenbridge Drive & Scarlett Road. With his legacy of hating the streetcar, light rail, or just about any surface rapid transit, I would expect his Ford Nation will be ready to fight. Don't forget that the EA happened back in 2007, and we are at the end of 2017. I'll wouldn't be surprised to see "adjustments" made to the EA.

 

[W. K. Lis]

The Scarlett Road Bridge & Road Improvements display boards, from the November 28, 2017 meeting, at this link.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

The Scarlett Road Bridge & Road Improvements display boards, from the November 28, 2017 meeting, at this link.

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3.5m lanes? Those could be 3.0m. And yet they can't protect for streetcar service.

 

[W. K. Lis]

3.5m lanes? Those could be 3.0m. And yet they can't protect for streetcar service.

There could be a foundation for future streetcar tracks, like the Dufferin underpass at Queen.