Allandale25
Senior Member
^ Wasn't there are notional one of $6 billion mentioned at some point? I can't remember if it was by the government itself though.
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
That was an estimate TVO came up with from what I remember, and an estimate that I think will be pretty close.
afransen
Senior Member
Missing Link is a great long term ambition but very expensive. I would like us to be reserving surface ROWs for future regional rail service as part of any greenfield development. The goal being that nearly all new residential and commercial development is within 2-3 kms of such a ROW. We should then design the road network to minimize the number of grade separations that would be required.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Doug Ford doubles down on Highway 413: ‘We’re going to build this’
Doubling down on his support for the controversial Highway 413, Premier Doug Ford insists the 60 km Greater Toronto Area project is much-needed even though most affected municipal councils are opposed.
www.thestar.com
I believe this is the first confirmation I've seen saying the 413 won't be tolled. That would make it the largest single untolled freeway project constructed in the GTA since the Toronto Bypass opened in the 1950's, and the largest provincial highway expansion since the 416 in the mid 90's, provided you don't count the 400 extension given it's extremely slow and fractured construction process.
DirectionNorth
Active Member
Wow, you caught that; I missed that. This changes a lot on the highway (I think we all assumed that it would be tolled, albeit at a lower rate than the 407).Doug Ford doubles down on Highway 413: ‘We’re going to build this’
Doubling down on his support for the controversial Highway 413, Premier Doug Ford insists the 60 km Greater Toronto Area project is much-needed even though most affected municipal councils are opposed.
I believe this is the first confirmation I've seen saying the 413 won't be tolled. That would make it the largest single untolled freeway project constructed in the GTA since the Toronto Bypass opened in the 1950's, and the largest provincial highway expansion since the 416 in the mid 90's, provided you don't count the 400 extension given it's extremely slow and fractured construction process.
jamincan
Active Member
You have to imagine that having an untolled 413 north of the 407 would push down the tolls on the 407 as well.
PantherA
New Member
Sorry to hijack the topic: are they going to extend the 413 eastbound and connect to Hwy404 eventually?
robmausser
Senior Member
Im sure one day that would be the intent, but there are no plans as such.
DirectionNorth
Active Member
I don't think so, not if the Bradford Bypass is built. In a worst (best depending on who you ask) case scenario, they might widen the section between the 413 and Bradford Bypass significantly.
Steve X
Senior Member
The 413 and Bradford Bypass are 25km apart making it unlikely to be used in conjunction. The 413 would be more of a trucking route alternative while the Bradford Bypass is really a connector.
Extending the 413 east would likely run through the Oak Ridges Moraine which is a big no-no. Especially what happened a couple decades ago. Other alternatives could be constructing a freeway out of Gamble Rd or a bit norther on Bloomington Rd. I think the 413 would be more complete if it connected to the 407/412 junction creating a partial ring road but how much traffic actually need to bypass the GTA oppose to destinated in the GTA?
ARG1
Senior Member
Really doubt it. The area to the east is already developed with houses - especially between Bathurst and Bayview, so you will have to completely teardown a community which I don't think will fly today.
wopchop
Building Toronto
There is no need and this would be a waste of billions of dollars, especially where it would compete with the provincial portion of the 407.
There is already a complete bypass of the GTA with the 407ETR/407.
As a bypass, this 413 route would be even longer in length, so would take longer to drive as well .
Steve X
Senior Member
For cars, sure. For commercial trucks, it's prohibitory expensive to use the 407 for long distance. There was a suggestion that the Ford government should negotiate with the 407 to get a discount rate for trucks, instead they came up with funding the 413. The 407 failed to get trucks off the 401.
The distance along a ring route via the 413 would be approximately 30km longer. However if trucks can be moving along instead of being stuck in hour long traffic, it's totally worth it to take this bypass.
darth_freeman
Active Member
I'm guessing very few people on here actually drove 407 in rush hour pre-pandemic. If trucks could use it for free then it would become immediately congested and destroy their whole business model (pay extra to travel across town at 120 km/hr).
kamira51
Active Member
Yes, the "subsidize trucks to use the 407" argument is terrible, and doesn't address the growing trucking industry needs.