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One of the things we overlook when we (perhaps simplistically) run to the Netherlands for easy answers is...the Dutch did build Toronto-style suburbs, as did most other large cities. They are still there, but with different interfaces between urban, suburbs, and rural.
The Dutch have big roads and big trucks, but their supply chain does not allow as many big vehicles to penetrate the denser, central areas where road space is being reallocated to other non-auto modes of transport.
When we look to such places for inspiration, we need to keep an apples to apples focus....what they are building in urban areas may not be what exists in the Dutch “hinterland”.
The Dutch (and others) have the same problem we do....much of the suburban realm is too new, and not yet paid for....so changing it can’t happen for a generation or more.
We have to start thinking differently about busy roads like, for instance, lower Bayview and Mount Pleasant which we built with the intent of funnelling autos into the core...(something we may no longer want to do) versus, say, Finch or Sheppard.... where it may be 30 years before we have changed enough of the built form to support a “Dutch” thing.
We urgently need roads to be safer on streets like Finch - perhaps more urgently than in the downtown, if one reads the statistics - but the solution may need to be different.
- Paul
You're correct.
And here, let's take Scarborough as our example.
The main N-S streets are laid out roughly 1km apart; and by and large, have surplus capacity at most times of day.
Every other N-S road could easily accommodate cycle tracks, and reduced curb-to-curb distances allowing for shorter, safer pedestrian crossings with only the most marginal impacts on traffic. (some isolated exceptions apply).
The bigger challenge is the (typically) 6 lane E-W roads, particularly, south of the 401, where Kingston Rd, followed by Eglinton, Lawrence and Ellesmere are all 2km apart and are terrible for pedestrian and cycling safety and comfort.
To fix that will almost certainly require new bisecting collector/minor-arterial roads at 1km intervals between the big streets.
That is also what will facilitate intensification.
But its very expensive, and very time consuming.
Interim changes are 1/2 measures.
Curb lanes for transit/cycling; but maintain the curb-to-curb width.
Possibly removing the turning lanes in the middle of the roads (7th lane)
Select additional traffic lit crossings.
Obstructing unsafe crossings and turn movements with median barrier of some description.
This package of changes, both short and long term is very different than what downtown or the extended core requires which involves no new major streets to speak of; can accommodate a greater shift to pedestrians and cycling in the near-term.
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