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Ontario Green Leader Mike Schreiner finally has company at Queen's Park.

The Green candidate won the riding of Kitchener Centre in a by-election last night, taking the seat from the NDP whose incumbent was stepping away from politics.

If the NDP can take some solace, at least they finished second, but it was not a close race. See below and read as Greens 48%, NDP 27%, PCs 13%, Libs 8%

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Voter turnout was 27%
 
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Ontario Green Leader Mike Schreiner finally has company at Queen's Park.

The Green candidate won the riding of Kitchener Centre in a by-election last night, taking the seat from the NDP who incumbent was stepping away from politics.

If the NDP can take some solace, at least they finished second, but it was not a close race. See below and read as Greens 48%, NDP 27%, PCs 13%, Libs 8%

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Voter turnout was 27%

As much as I support the NDP, this switch to the Green Party has alot to do with their shift in ideology.

The NDP used to be the earthy, hippie activist party but now they are liberal lite.
 
As much as I support the NDP, this switch to the Green Party has alot to do with their shift in ideology.

The NDP used to be the earthy, hippie activist party but now they are liberal lite.
Actually, I thought it was the reverse--voters opting for a "safe progressive" choice over a party demoralized by the Sarah Jama schism. And note how *Lib* support was reduced to 4th place single digits.

Whether one likes it or not, a good many of the Greens' successes and near-successes have hinged upon their being a Liberal (or classic "Red Tory") proxy--in Guelph, in Kitchener Centre both federally and provincially, in Parry Sound-Muskoka in '22 (where the absence of a Lib candidate put wind in their sails), and heck, municipally w/Diane Saxe in University-Rosedale (it was the "Rosedale progressives" that put her over the top)
 
Actually, I thought it was the reverse--voters opting for a "safe progressive" choice over a party demoralized by the Sarah Jama schism. And note how *Lib* support was reduced to 4th place single digits.

Whether one likes it or not, a good many of the Greens' successes and near-successes have hinged upon their being a Liberal (or classic "Red Tory") proxy--in Guelph, in Kitchener Centre both federally and provincially, in Parry Sound-Muskoka in '22 (where the absence of a Lib candidate put wind in their sails), and heck, municipally w/Diane Saxe in University-Rosedale (it was the "Rosedale progressives" that put her over the top)

I think it can be a bit of both, above.

Overall, I would place the Greens in the centre of the spectrum, but they do have a real range on policy.

Generally, pro balanced budget, pro personal freedom/responsibility, and pro small business; but equally tend to champion on not only strong ecological policies, but expanded
universal healthcare (ie. drugs/dental); more generous employment standards (higher minimum wage, more paid vacation and sick/personal days), as well as strong public transport.

I think their space overlaps with red tory, progressive liberal, fiscally restrained NDP)

It naturally appeals to a broad swath of the political spectrum when well presented.

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At the same time, I think the NDPs shift away from strong 'green' credentials but also away from blue collar/big labour, to more of an urban, educated, liberal professional party certainly frees up some of that base to migrate
to those they see as less establishment and more activist.
 
At the same time, I think the NDPs shift away from strong 'green' credentials but also away from blue collar/big labour, to more of an urban, educated, liberal professional party certainly frees up some of that base to migrate
to those they see as less establishment and more activist.
Actually, I think of the Jama thing as reflecting more of a collision btw/"old" and "new" impulses--that is, a party aiming for Blair/Starmer "middle respectability" being riven by the Corbynistas in its midst, IOW those who represent the "wrong" kind of "less establishment and more activist". Which leaves the *Greens* looking more like that palatable "urban, educated, liberal professional party". (Of course, the shoe *can* be on the other foot in that light: witness the catastrophe of the federal Annamie Paul Greens in '21.)
 

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