MarkBrooks
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Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)
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kEiThZ
Superstar
Old news, but Transport Action Ontario is suggesting that HFR/HPR be considered as an alternative to Pickering:
And they seem to be a particularly solid lobby group. Getting meetings with politicians at all. Discussing proposals with VIA execs. Etc.
So there are some counterbalances to Mark and his friends out there.
And they seem to be a particularly solid lobby group. Getting meetings with politicians at all. Discussing proposals with VIA execs. Etc.
So there are some counterbalances to Mark and his friends out there.
micheal_can
Senior Member
I don't think any of his friends are on here.
MarkBrooks
Active Member
I got to admit it is not hard finding friends when You mention $13 billion a year in economic activity, or 50,000 new jobs. Mention the $500 million a year Pickering airport will generate in federal and local taxes and everyone just ask when does it open. A forgone conclusion.
but you don’t learn as much from the supporters of a project as you can from a thoughtful critic. so as some of you have guessed I am not here looking for support, I am here to see if any diehard critics, can find a hole. Some of you have had some good thoughts, others not so much, I am open to suggestions and ideas.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Hopefully, you are honest about listening to us. That would be the only thing I ask.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I wasn't referring to UT. I was referring to the real world. Where lobbying moves beyond the web.
MarkBrooks
Active Member
what is the relationship between Trees and Pickering airport? Plant a tree to reduce CO2 or improve efficiency With a new airport?
How about both? what is possible , 2 billion, 10 billion trees? To what degree will it help?
pickeringairport.org
How about both? what is possible , 2 billion, 10 billion trees? To what degree will it help?
Trees and Pickering Airport - Friends of Pickering Airport
Print 🖨 PDF 📄 eBook 📱by Ted Nickerson Trees and aviation do not normally need each other, but trees could soon be a contributor to developing a low-carbon / carbon-neutral Pickering Airport. In 2017, Canada’s aviation emissions accounted for 21 megatonnes (1 megatonne = 1 million metric tonnes)...
pickeringairport.org
micheal_can
Senior Member
what is the relationship between Trees and Pickering airport? Plant a tree to reduce CO2 or improve efficiency With a new airport?
How about both? what is possible , 2 billion, 10 billion trees? To what degree will it help?
Trees and Pickering Airport - Friends of Pickering Airport
Print 🖨 PDF 📄 eBook 📱by Ted Nickerson Trees and aviation do not normally need each other, but trees could soon be a contributor to developing a low-carbon / carbon-neutral Pickering Airport. In 2017, Canada’s aviation emissions accounted for 21 megatonnes (1 megatonne = 1 million metric tonnes)...
Well, if you cover the entire area that would be the airport, you would do some good. Although, it is a farmer's field, so maybe just leave it as farmland and feed people.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Pickering airport debate could come to a head in 2020
It’s shaping up to be a big year ahead in Pickering, as development projects move forward at a dizzying pace.
www.durhamregion.com
NotAToy
New Member
I think that the money spent in air travel in short routes is better spent on HER and eventually, HSR. Also, get bigger planes. There is still room for expansion (See the GTAA Master Plan).
micheal_can
Senior Member
MarkBrooks
Active Member
nothing wrong with an aggressive master plan for Pearson. I use its capacity numbers In all our calculations, which is why myself and others are 100% sure Pearson will be 100% full by the time we get Pickering open at the end of this decade.
10 years from kick off this spring to passenger operation. we have not a moment to loose!
welcome to the decade of the big squeeze at Pearson.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Or, the big expansion of other modes of transportation to ease YYZ. In fact, this might be the time that other existing airports are used to take the stress off of YYZ. A new runway is not very environmentally friendly, and we are entering a time of having a solid environmental plan is the only way to get elected.
Irishmonk
Senior Member
Sitting on the north-eastern fringe of the GGHA, Pickering seems like the wrong location for a new international airport. It should be in a more central position so as to benefit more people who live within a 1 hour drive radius. From my limited perspective it makes a ton more sense to massively expand Pearson (two more piers + huge transit terminal/processing center + new runway) over the next two decades and consider additions to an existing airport like Hamilton. There are plenty of airports in the world with smaller footprints than Pearson that handle much more traffic.
Additionally, the economic benefit argument is a non-starter since it equally applies to any large new chunk of infrastructure--whether it be HSR, a new subway line or an airport expansion. The only difference is who pockets the benefits from said infrastructure project. (Which is why corrupt, authoritarian states LOVE giant new airports while free market democracies rarely attempt them any more--seriously, are there any new international airports being built in N America?) Anyway, I digress. As a non expert on these matters I'll leave it at that, and wait for stronger arguments to alter my current position.
On edit: sorry michael_can, didn't mean to parrot what you said; just saw your post after I posted mine. =/
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micheal_can
Senior Member
If we are all saying the same thing, maybe he will understand that now is not the time for an airport in a farmer's field in Pickering. Fifty years ago, maybe, but not now.