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Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)

I don't know if talk about a Pickering Airport is premature but what I do know is that the government should stand firm and resist all pressure to use this land for other kinds of development or for creating a park.

They should also be clear to all community stakeholders that they have every intention of developing the land for commercial aviation purposes, if this is indeed needed in 25 years or 300.

Before Canada's New Government does that they might want to make public the case for a Pickering airport. A comparison with Heathrow suggests YYZ isn't going to be stretched any time soon:

Land area (square kilometres):
YYZ 18.67
LHR 12.14

Runways:
YYZ 5
LHR 2

2012 passengers:
YYZ 34,912,456
LHR 70,037,417

2012 aircraft movements:
YYZ 433,990
LHR 475,176

The GTA's population has been growing between 1% and 2% per year. At 1% it would take YYZ 70 years to reach LHR's passenger volume. At 2% it would take 35 years.

Aircraft movement is more problematic given that YYZ is around 91% of LHR in this category, but it's reasonable to assume that the number of destinations will grow at a slower rate than passenger traffic, suggesting that aircraft movements won't keep pace with passenger volume. In other words, bigger planes will become more economic on routes with high passenger growth. Aircraft movement would also appear to be mitigated by the fact that YYZ occupies approximately 50% more land area than LHR, and has three more runways, so its capacity to handle increased movement should be considerably greater than LHR's.

Whatever Flaherty's reason was for announcing Pickering, it didn't appear to have anything to do with data.
 
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Before Canada's New Government does that they might want to make public the case for a Pickering airport. A comparison with Heathrow suggests YYZ...

... requires several supplementary airports to take regional traffic so YYZ can focus on large body long distance aircraft. Large body for the passenger to movement ratio, and long distance so the load is spread through the entire day eliminating the current rush-hour periods that Pearson experiences today.

Denver is a much better comparison in terms of traffic patterns, central location for the population of the host country, and regional competition (Centennial is very similar to the Island Airport in 2002 traffic wise but has fewer restrictions on what could fly there).
 
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... requires several supplementary airports to take regional traffic so YYZ can focus on large body long distance aircraft. Large body for the passenger to movement ratio, and long distance so the load is spread through the entire day eliminating the current rush-hour periods that Pearson experiences today.

Denver is a much better comparison in terms of traffic patterns, central location for the population of the host country, and regional competition (Centennial is very similar to the Island Airport in 2002 traffic wise but has fewer restrictions on what could fly there).

Those passengers on the long haul flights often need to make connections to the regional flights, if everything can be kept at one airport then it should be. I am skeptical of the claims of Pearsons limitations.
 
Finally, if Pickering is just to be GA airport, my response would depend on how much that would cost. It's hard to see any sort of public good type argument for GA flights though. I'm sympathetic to the activity and have enjoyed it myself, but it's not ultimately any different from yachting or horseback riding. Goodluck getting the government to loan either of those hundreds of millions of dollars.

It is safe to say that the GA launch of Pickering would not be a 3 runway and terminal airport. I wish I had the original GTAA Pickering document but it showed an anticipated first phase with very little of the elements of the full build out. I recall something like this, perhaps with less taxiways and runway length.
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Those passengers on the long haul flights often need to make connections to the regional flights, if everything can be kept at one airport then it should be. I am skeptical of the claims of Pearsons limitations.

They don't at Heathrow. Most passengers connect on another wide-body aircraft going to a fairly major international destination.

If we're going to be using Heathrow as an example for land use, we need Pearson to have its traffic patterns too.
 
Before Canada's New Government does that they might want to make public the case for a Pickering airport. A comparison with Heathrow suggests YYZ isn't going to be stretched any time soon:

Land area (square kilometres):
YYZ 18.67
LHR 12.14

There is nothing to suggest that there is a link between land area and passenger capacity. Mirabel was the largest airport by land area at one time...


Runways:
YYZ 5
LHR 2
YYZ never operates with any more that 3 runways (4 once 5R-23L is built) in service at on time. The two 15-33 runways are for situations where there are crosswinds. So you cannot say that YYZ should have nearly 3X the capacity of Pearson.


2012 passengers:
YYZ 34,912,456
LHR 70,037,417
As has been mentioned before YYZ takes approx 37 000 aircraft movements per year that are not headed to the terminal. These are private charters, GA traffic, Air show traffic on Labour day (minor traffic), etc. Pearson would like to off load these aircraft to another airport (Pickering) and add more commercial air traffic. Doing so could add nearly 4 000 000 additional passengers. Pickering could take these aircraft plus Buttonville's and be one of Canada's 10 busiest airports by aircraft movements without even having commercial scheduled airlines.

Also as RBT stated YYZ still has many small regional aircraft, 737's and 319's and 320's, that carry 180 or so passengers. YYZ would eventually move to try to have more larger aircraft in the future in order to increase the number of passengers per aircraft.

2012 aircraft movements:
YYZ 433,990
LHR 475,176

YYZ plans to have 600 000 aircraft movements per year once the new 5L-23R runway is built.

The GTA's population has been growing between 1% and 2% per year. At 1% it would take YYZ 70 years to reach LHR's passenger volume. At 2% it would take 35 years.

Aircraft movement is more problematic given that YYZ is around 91% of LHR in this category, but it's reasonable to assume that the number of destinations will grow at a slower rate than passenger traffic, suggesting that aircraft movements won't keep pace with passenger volume. In other words, bigger planes will become more economic on routes with high passenger growth. Aircraft movement would also appear to be mitigated by the fact that YYZ occupies approximately 50% more land area than LHR, and has three more runways, so its capacity to handle increased movement should be considerably greater than LHR's.

Whatever Flaherty's reason was for announcing Pickering, it didn't appear to have anything to do with data.

LHR has three other nearby airports to handle other traffic, allowing it to focus on large jets and long distance routes.

- LHR also suffers from significant constraints causing many airlines/aircraft to circle above the airport waiting for a landing slot/terminal gate. Like idling your car circling the airport for 20 minutes or more creates more pollution.
- On the terminal side LHR does not have enough terminal gates and is charging airlines significant surcharges for staying too long at the gate be it arriving early or a departing late.
- On the airside LHR would LOVE to have at least a third runway. They have been trying to plan for one for at least two decades and have met local opposition at every turn

If we are going to look at LHR as a model may as well look at the whole thing.
 
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Before Canada's New Government does that they might want to make public the case for a Pickering airport. A comparison with Heathrow suggests YYZ isn't going to be stretched any time soon.

Canada's New Government? They haven't used that catchphrase since 2007.


Whatever Flaherty's reason was for announcing Pickering, it didn't appear to have anything to do with data.

Data? You mean from the government that's willfilling gutting Statistics Canada, environmental science programs and other research that gathers data and routinely ignores what data's actually out there or makes up data (new prisons to house unreported criminals causing unreported crimes, anyone?).

No, just wrap it under the blanket of an "Economic Action Plan" and run lots of commercials touting it.
 
There is nothing to suggest that there is a link between land area and passenger capacity. Mirabel was the largest airport by land area at one time...



YYZ never operates with any more that 3 runways (4 once 5R-23L is built) in service at on time. The two 15-33 runways are for situations where there are crosswinds. So you cannot say that YYZ should have nearly 3X the capacity of Pearson.



As has been mentioned before YYZ takes approx 37 000 aircraft movements per year that are not headed to the terminal. These are private charters, GA traffic, Air show traffic on Labour day (minor traffic), etc. Pearson would like to off load these aircraft to another airport (Pickering) and add more commercial air traffic. Doing so could add nearly 4 000 000 additional passengers. Pickering could take these aircraft plus Buttonville's and be one of Canada's 10 busiest airports by aircraft movements without even having commercial scheduled airlines.

Also as RBT stated YYZ still has many small regional aircraft, 737's and 319's and 320's, that carry 180 or so passengers. YYZ would eventually move to try to have more larger aircraft in the future in order to increase the number of passengers per aircraft.



YYZ plans to have 600 000 aircraft movements per year once the new 5L-23R runway is built.



LHR has three other nearby airports to handle other traffic, allowing it to focus on large jets and long distance routes.

- LHR also suffers from significant constraints causing many airlines/aircraft to circle above the airport waiting for a landing slot/terminal gate. Like idling your car circling the airport for 20 minutes or more creates more pollution.
- On the terminal side LHR does not have enough terminal gates and is charging airlines significant surcharges for staying too long at the gate be it arriving early or a departing late.
- On the airside LHR would LOVE to have at least a third runway. They have been trying to plan for one for at least two decades and have met local opposition at every turn

If we are going to look at LHR as a model may as well look at the whole thing.

LHR has something in common with YTZ.....there are residents and politicians that want it closed!


http://www.montrealgazette.com/busi...oposes+plan+close+heathrow/8664232/story.html
 
Comparisons to Heathrow are just bogus. They ignore so much context. Once again, people want Toronto to be like the other alpha cities of the world without actually building the infrastructure required. Pearson wishes it could be Heathrow, one of the highest yielding airports in the world. Instead, thanks to all around NIMBY culture in the GTA (which prevents a diffusion of air traffic) and a government policy of milking aviation, Pearson will be a low-yield destination for airlines while charging some of the highest fees to operators in the world.

People often forget that London has other huge airports at Gatwick and Stansted and to a lesser extent at Luton. Ever seen Ryanair's operation at Stansted? London City is much busier than Billy Bishop could be. There is simply no such context in the GTA. All that traffic is concentrated at Pearson. As a result, we have less air traffic for a city-region of our size, higher airfares, and more broadly a less competitive aviation market.

Building Pickering won't change much. In reality, it'll be a reliever for the closure of Buttonville. Hopefully, they can also close Oshawa and centralize all that GA traffic at Pickering. But none of that helps the commercial side much. The best we can hope for is:

These are private charters, GA traffic, Air show traffic on Labour day (minor traffic), etc. Pearson would like to off load these aircraft to another airport (Pickering) and add more commercial air traffic. Doing so could add nearly 4 000 000 additional passengers.

Hamilton can help on this front too. And more needs to be done to develop Munro airport as a genuine GA and small commercial reliever of Pearson.
 

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