kEiThZ
Superstar
I suspect a lot of Mark's friends who are supposedly willing to drop hundreds of millions on a new airport will re-evaluate their business case if HFR is announced at the same time.
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Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)
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MarkBrooks
Active Member
you need to keep the Hubris in check, to suggest that ALL the experts are wrong and you, someone with no commercial aviation background knows best Is a bit much.
if Pearson was blocked today there is not a single airport within 3 hours driving that has the tarmac space, gates or fuel farm to handle Pearson’s traffic. Not Hamilton, not Simcoe , not Waterloo or london, not even buffalo, no one. it would take all of the above combined times 2. And that assumes all GA and BA traffic at those airports are placed under an emergency stop order ( not happening by the way given the nature of many of those commercial flight operations ).
Ottawa, Mirabel and montreal Trudeau working together could do it, barely.
pearson is doing 1200 flights a day, 50 million passengers a year.
now image it’s 15 years from now and that traffic has gone up 60%, got the picture?
Wishful thinking, self serving misinformation and bad assumptions are not good enough to secure a prosperous environmentally friendly future for Canadas largest urban area.
Good day
micheal_can
Senior Member
You also talk in wishful thinking. If it is such a great idea, then it should be self funded.
MarkBrooks
Active Member
I volunteered my time and expertise to develop the first fully privately funded proposal in 2011, a BA/GA Airpark , with the ability to self fund growth into a regional airport.. unfortunately it did not meet the political threshold requirements for timeline and capacity . The longer we wait, the higher the capacity shortfall, the steeper the ramp up, the greater the need for public funding to bridge the gap between organic self funded growth and estimated required capacity.
lucky both the region and province is now on board, the Feds are out of excuses,
All the Feds have to do is get out of the way... let’s roll!
micheal_can
Senior Member
The feds have a great excuse - it does not fit in their green plan. That would get the NDP and Greens and possibly the Bloc's support.
A better proposal would be to expand the Hamilton airport into an airport that could provide relief for the next 50 years. That proposal would need to include all the necessary infrastructure that is lacking.
Irishmonk
Senior Member
Just a simple question: how many N American cities of Toronto's size have handy international back up airports to mop up all the air traffic when the principal airport is overrun by zombies/terrorists/protesters/reverse vampires and other common air traffic impediments?
MarkBrooks
Active Member
Toronto is the only city of its size with only one jet airport within its catchment area. In addition, Pearson handles 1in 3 of all Canadian air travelers. multiple reports have point to Pearson out of capacity by 2028. That is the baseline to opening pickering. It will take 10 years to build.
Today Pearson is an IATA level 3 fully coordinated airport ( the highest level) with demand exceeding capacity at key times of the day.
see:
What’s Inside The KPMG Pickering Airport Report?
In 2016 a team from the international accounting organization KPMG (consisting of a project manager, three subject matter experts, and an evaluation services consultant) started work on a report th…
pickeringairport.org
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
New York, Chicago, Washington DC.
Toronto is the 4'th largest city in North America. Among the 5 largest North American cities, only Mexico City, LA and Toronto are served by a single international airport that in the top 40 NA airports by passenger traffic. Sooo, not exactly a knock on building a second airport in Toronto
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MarkBrooks
Active Member
*Cough *. Toronto stands alone, unquestionably vulnerable:
In Greater Los Angeles area there are five major airports:
LAX (Los Angeles International), the main International portal in California with major domestic travel as well. (One of the busiest airports in the world).
BUR (Bob Hope Airport aka Burbank Airport), a small (two terminals), domestic-traffic-only airport in the city of Burbank, Southwest Airlines has discount flights into BUR from many cities in the U.S. including Las Vegas, San Francisco and Oakland (adjacent to San Francisco).
LGB (Long Beach Airport), a small (one terminal), domestic-traffic-only airport in the southeast corner of the county of Los Angeles, to the south of downtown Los Angeles. JetBlue.com has discount flights into LGB from a number of cities in the U.S. including New York, Boston and Las Vegas.
SNA (John Wayne Airport aka Orange County aka Santa Ana Airport), largely, a domestic-traffic airport but with limited service to select cities in Mexico and Canada.
ONT (Ontario Airport ), a domestic-traffic airport but with very limited international service to 2 or 3 cities in Mexico.
There is also more than a dozen GA airports many with runways able to take a 737. But are handling business jet traffic and general aviation and helicopters.
Other airports such as San Diego, Palm Springs are considered well outside the LA area to be of help.
Mexico City stands as an example of what could happen to Toronto if we don’t get it together. They are once again trying to build a new airport ( attempt number 3, corruption killed the last one)
micheal_can
Senior Member
How far away from the city centre are those airports?
kEiThZ
Superstar
If we're including all those airports in the count for Los Angeles, Hamilton and Waterloo would count too. SNA is very similar to the Island/YTZ with its short runway.
MarkBrooks
Active Member
seriously ? LA first pic, Toronto second, use the lat long lines for scale. Red dot shows Pickering , you can google the rest yourself. I am busy working.
micheal_can
Senior Member
That was what I was trying to get him to admit to. He likes to ignore the other airports in the GTA.
Right now, if Pearson had to be shut down and all planes diverted, I could see Hamilton, Waterloo and London all taking them. They may not have the gates, but they do have the runways and they also are all international airports.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Pickering is at the edge of the same circle that Hamilton is on. So, in short, Hamilton needs to be improved to take the weight off of Pearson.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Now, let's here an argument for more airports.