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Next Mayor of Toronto?

syn said:
At this point anyone who supports him is not worth going after by any other candidate; these individuals will stand behind him no matter what. There is no rationality involved.
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Yes but it is more than just a vocal fringe which thinks like this, it is about 40% of the electorate. If we continue to write these people off, just as we did last time, we could be looking at 4 more years of Ford...

jje1000 said:
One problem is that Ford's appeal comes largely with his personality. There are two elements of Ford here:

- Ford as the man
- Ford as the 'taxpayer's Saviour'

I think that's why people are peeling off the drugs and crime as an aspect of Ford the man, who they clearly understand as being flawed. Ford the 'Saviour' continues to be unblemished, as there hasn't been any widely-published statistical evidence that he's done harm (jobs and crime). I think the Ford the 'Saviour' aspect will come under inspection if his links to organized crime are revealed.

Not that I believe that Ford is a 'Saviour' (I doubt Jesus would ever be like him). It's just the way Ford's devotees/followers see him.

Remember, these are the talking points:


Find a way of refuting these in a way that doesn't say no. People will need to be convinced a little before they come to their senses and understand the context this is all in.
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You know, if Ford didn't portray himself as such a hard partisan, not to mention as a drugged up goofball, I wonder if there would be such hate against him among those left of centre. As I said, if even I have trouble recalling all of the negative things he has done, how will the average voter fare?
 
When the Progressive Conservatives become progressive conservative again I'll vote for them.
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I'm surprised how many people are actually holding out for the return of the Big Blue Machine. Not happening.

It isn't because there are no Red Tories any more. It's because the simpler era in which it happened doesn't exist any more, and it is never coming back.

And those who imagine John Tory as one of those Red Tories should think carefully. If he is such a genius, why did he endorse Rob Ford for mayor? He should be canceled on that point alone.
 
freshcutgrass said:
I'm surprised how many people are actually holding out for the return of the Big Blue Machine. Not happening.

It isn't because there are no Red Tories any more. It's because the simpler era in which it happened doesn't exist any more, and it is never coming back.

And those who imagine John Tory as one of those Red Tories should think carefully. If he is such a genius, why did he endorse Rob Ford for mayor? He should be canceled on that point alone.
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It was so much easier when When Frost, Robarts, Davis took over power from a leader who left the province in good shape. Harris and whoever wins the next election is inheriting a province that is in sad shape. Obviously they can not just follow a "steady as she goes" philosophy.
 
freshcutgrass said:
And those who imagine John Tory as one of those Red Tories should think carefully. If he is such a genius, why did he endorse Rob Ford for mayor? He should be canceled on that point alone.
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He's also being very wish-washy on this whole Ford fiasco. It makes me think he'd be a wishy-washy Mayor. Sure, I get that he doesn't want to piss-off some of "Ford Nation" too much as he hopes for their votes. BUT Ford Nation also apparently likes decisive decisions and he's not been too good at making one with regard to all this.
 
BurlOak said:
It was so much easier when When Frost, Robarts, Davis took over power from a leader who left the province in good shape. Harris and whoever wins the next election is inheriting a province that is in sad shape. Obviously they can not just follow a "steady as she goes" philosophy.
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That's nonsense - long-term, structural problems often require long-term solutions. When Frost, Robarts and Davis took power the North American economy is in a completely different footing, and let's not pretend Harris/Eves left Ontario in a particularly great shape during the "better times" either.

AoD
 
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Minnan-Wong 'seriously considering' a run for mayor

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A Toronto city councillor who was once one of Rob Ford’s closest allies at city hall says he is “seriously considering†running for mayor in next year’s municipal election.

Amid persistent speculation that he is interested in the city’s top job, Coun. Denzil Minnan-Wong confirmed to CP24 that he is exploring the option of challenging Ford in the October vote.

“I haven’t made any final decisions and I have no announcements to make today, but there are a number of individuals who have also said that they’re interested,†said Minnan-Wong, who represents Ward 34 (Don Valley East), before he declared his interest in Ford’s job.

Minnan-Wong made the comment to CP24 commentator Stephen LeDrew a day before city council considers his motion that calls on council to petition the province to remove Ford from office if he doesn’t take a voluntary leave of absence.

The motion calls on Ford, who has admitted to smoking crack cocaine, to apologize for an earlier denial and co-operate with the police investigation into a video that allegedly shows him smoking from a glass pipe. The video is evidence in at least one court case and it has not been seen by the public.

Ford has ignored calls to resign or step aside.

After the allegations first surfaced last May, Minnan-Wong gave Ford the benefit of the doubt and said he had never seen the mayor in an intoxicated state.

Minnan-Wong took a tougher stance after police Chief Bill Blair confirmed the existence of the alleged video, which was found on a hard drive seized by investigators during a drug raid last June.

In a tweet sent Tuesday, Minnan-Wong said he supported the mayor “until I discovered he lies, smokes crack and associates with criminals.â€

In his interview with CP24, a confident Minnan-Wong said his motion “should pass easily like a knife through butter.â€

Coun. Karen Stintz and former city councillor David Soknacki have already declared their intention to challenge Ford.
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I would consider Minnan-Wong, a right-wing. Stintz is, to me, center-right. Ford is extreme-right.

That's one way to split the right-wing vote.
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I dare say, WK, that Ford is actually extreme-wrong. :p

Sorry, I'm just upset that I can't make the rally tomorrow on account of serious shit hitting a serious fan at work this morning....with me responsible for cleanup. :(
 
John Tory seems to be one of those "patricians that move to the center" that Torontonians supposedly "want" (though Karen Stintz is competing for that same constituency).
 
I would vote strategically to avoid a O-Chow win (though obv. not for Ford). We need to stop the swings from far left to far right.

I would also like someone with more qualifications than that their parents let them run the family sticker factory or a fine-arts degree and a strategic marriage (no offence to anyone out there who also fits either of those buckets).
 
The last wheel fell off of Rob Ford's wagon yesterday afternoon so I think any conjecture about Toronto's next mayor can, and in fact must, consider him a non-starter.
 
Mr.Tang said:
I would vote strategically to avoid a O-Chow win (though obv. not for Ford). We need to stop the swings from far left to far right.

I would also like someone with more qualifications than that their parents let them run the family sticker factory or a fine-arts degree and a strategic marriage (no offence to anyone out there who also fits either of those buckets).
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I would NOT assume that Olivia Chow is dumb enough to run on a far left platform - s as a former city councillor are one thing, but she is one of the key architects of the 'let's lose the socialism' movement within the NDP. She is shrewd politician and the campaign team she is choosing include john laschinger, warren kinsella, and others that are hardly 'far left'. Laschinger has backed everyone from david miller to mike harris. They will position her centre-left....a modern day equivalent of Tony Blair. It's time to shift the discourse here about Olivia Chow - she is no dope, folks.....she knows what is needed to win this thing.

For those of you that think that Toronto will be wonderful under John Tory.... 1) he backed RoFo and 2) he let thugford away with murder on his radio show the other day (ie., pandering to those fuckers in Ford Nation)...

Lark
 
lovarkitec said:
For those of you that think that Toronto will be wonderful under John Tory.... 1) he backed RoFo and 2) he let thugford away with murder on his radio show the other day (ie., pandering to those fuckers in Ford Nation)...

Lark
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Agreed, all the warm and fuzzy feeling I had evaporated with his sub par performance of late.

AoD
 
I got a phone survey tonight about who I would vote for. DMW was in the list; I think that was the first time
 
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